Mark Duggan, the right verdict?
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Innocent!? :roll:
Have you seen this bell end, he's got trouble written all over him.
I said that people (not just the police) should not have to wait until their life is in danger to react, not shoot all the people we think are toe rags!
If this guy wants to act like a gangster then I'm sorry but he's playing with fire.
Have you seen this bell end, he's got trouble written all over him.
I said that people (not just the police) should not have to wait until their life is in danger to react, not shoot all the people we think are toe rags!
If this guy wants to act like a gangster then I'm sorry but he's playing with fire.
Silverfox said:
No worries Silverfox, no offence taken and none given, debate is good! Just telling it as it is and thanks to Andy for correcting me on one of my points, You shoot to disable and as such go for the largest area for a better chance of a hit. If one shot brings the guy down and disables him but he is still alive, you don't go in and fire more shots to finish him/her off!
So when I said you shoot to kill, that's the initial intention so that you can guarantee that you have eliminated the threat. Clearly the WPC who shot one of Lee Rigby's executioners didn't continue shooting until he was killed. Some might say it's a shame that she didn't kill him with her initial shot.
No offence meant but the percentage of police officers with the skills to do anything but centre mass shots is ridiculously small. ( have a history with law enforcement groups training on my ranges and it is not good. ) The officer involved probably did the best he could, wound up tighter than a drum and faced with a supposedly armed and dangerous opponent he reacted.
mcbeee said:
Mcbeee it is massively different in the UK. Not every policeman/woman is armed. Armed response is a tiny proportion of the force ( Wikipedia only I'm afraid but it says 150000 officers in England, 2500 of them are currently in service and trained for firearm use)
These guys aren't your regular "cop".
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I include the "not your regular cop" in my statement, SWAT teams and sniper teams included, we have had them all. We consider banning them from using our facilities quite regularly due to various "problems". Our regular officers have weapons and rarely draw them, which is good.
We have a saying here "The safest place when a cop draws his gun is in front of him".
Do your officers have SAS level training,? if not , they should.
Please note, the USA is quite different from here, in general, those guys can shoot quite well.
We have a saying here "The safest place when a cop draws his gun is in front of him".
Do your officers have SAS level training,? if not , they should.
Please note, the USA is quite different from here, in general, those guys can shoot quite well.
mcbeee said:
Disagree, all the Armed Officers Ive been with are excellent shots and achieve very good groupings in general on the target. You have to, or you don't pass and get armed, simple. At the end of the day, if you miss, you have to consider collateral damage which as most of these incidents are in public places is a huge consideration.
So your saying might apply where you are, from my knowledge it certainly doesn't here. Just my opinion
i'm not sure which paper it was but I read that the 1st shot went through Duggans shoulder and wounded one of the other policemen involved 
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Correction, not wounded at all
Quote from the Guardian, which I may add does not mean its a fact -One of the officers who had surrounded Duggan had indeed been hit by a bullet, which had lodged in his radio. However, it had not been fired by Duggan but by V53, before it passed through the suspect's arm and hit the officer.
. :roll:Correction, not wounded at all
Quote from the Guardian, which I may add does not mean its a fact -One of the officers who had surrounded Duggan had indeed been hit by a bullet, which had lodged in his radio. However, it had not been fired by Duggan but by V53, before it passed through the suspect's arm and hit the officer.
mcbeee said:
Blame the French ancestry. Quite apart from the fact they deserve blamed for most things, their record of actually firing weapons is piss-poor so you can hardly expect accuracy :lol:
(I should say that no French or French-Canadian people were harmed in the writing of this post, and no *real* offence was meant...)
If you dont run around with a shooter the old bill wont shoot you end off!. I spent 20 yrs on the wrong side of the tracks ive seen it from both sides, like a few people already said you live by the sword you die by it!!!!!!!!. one thing i did learn in them years is people that use guns on the street are cowards and mugs & generally wont have a stand up fight or go toe to toe!.