M40i brakes - design flaw uncovered
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I've had the discs checked and BMW have reported that all is fine - which is good news. I'm surprised that such a dramatic noise has resulted in no damage but there you go.
When it happens again I'll ring BMW UK (for the third time) explain that I've had my local dealer check the disc and, more importantly, ask why my dealer believes no one else has reported this issue despite that not being the case.
When it happens again I'll ring BMW UK (for the third time) explain that I've had my local dealer check the disc and, more importantly, ask why my dealer believes no one else has reported this issue despite that not being the case.
Jim S said:Samiad said:
Not sure what the heat shields look like on the non M Sport brakes. If you look at page 3 of this thread you will see photos of my M Sport brakes, which clearly show the reason why stones easily get trapped.
How do you reckon they’re getting in there Jim..? Looking at the wheels I’m thinking passing cars flicking them into your wheels which roll them around until they fall out the back at just the right, or wrong, moment..?
john-e89 said:Jim S said:Samiad said:
Not sure what the heat shields look like on the non M Sport brakes. If you look at page 3 of this thread you will see photos of my M Sport brakes, which clearly show the reason why stones easily get trapped.
How do you reckon they’re getting in there Jim..? Looking at the wheels I’m thinking passing cars flicking them into your wheels which roll them around until they fall out the back at just the right, or wrong, moment..?
Yes John, I think you are on the right track. From my experiences my theory is that the stones are getting onto the inside rim of the wheel somehow and are being held there by centrifugal force until you slow down and they drop into the gap between the brake heat shield and rotor. In the six times that it has happened to me, on main roads I must add, the problem occurred either when I was coming to a stop or taking away from standstill. This would back up my theory that the stones are entering the brakes when the car is going slow.
On a positive note. If I could give any owners who experience this horrendous sounding problem some advice. If you hear a loud screeching noise coming from your wheel, stop the car as soon as you can and reverse a few yards as this may throw out the stone before it gets lodged too far into the brakes. Remember that you are likely to be going slow at this point. Once the stone gets right down into the gap between the shield and rotor it is almost impossible to get it out without removing the wheel.
Hope this helps.
Hope this helps.
Been wondering about this issue having read the posts. No events to report on my G29 - until today!
Had a meeting over in Liverpool this morning. On leaving the car park area I heard small, loose gravel being thrown at very low speed by the wide Michelins. Not unusual and no issue. However, 5 minutes later a screeching noise was heard from the front nearside wheel. Having read the experience of others I knew exactly what this was. As I was in slow traffic I had no option but to keep going. Fortunately the responsible stone dislodged after 50/60 yards and no further issues.
I now understand the experience of others and it's quite a noise when a stone becomes trapped. Don't think a trip to the dealership is required but will be checking it out in more detail over coming days. Given there have now been quite a few reports of this issue it will be worth reporting any similar experiences on Forum cars and keeping an eye for any feedback from BMW.
Aside from the above, I continue to be very impressed by the all round ability of the M40i each time I drive it. A very quiet and smooth motorway cruiser and well balanced and a very capable sports car when wanted.
Had a meeting over in Liverpool this morning. On leaving the car park area I heard small, loose gravel being thrown at very low speed by the wide Michelins. Not unusual and no issue. However, 5 minutes later a screeching noise was heard from the front nearside wheel. Having read the experience of others I knew exactly what this was. As I was in slow traffic I had no option but to keep going. Fortunately the responsible stone dislodged after 50/60 yards and no further issues.
I now understand the experience of others and it's quite a noise when a stone becomes trapped. Don't think a trip to the dealership is required but will be checking it out in more detail over coming days. Given there have now been quite a few reports of this issue it will be worth reporting any similar experiences on Forum cars and keeping an eye for any feedback from BMW.
Aside from the above, I continue to be very impressed by the all round ability of the M40i each time I drive it. A very quiet and smooth motorway cruiser and well balanced and a very capable sports car when wanted.
Obs-Com said:
I am sorry to hear that but not surprised since it has happened to me six times now in 3,000 miles. :thumbsdown:
Lucky for you that the stone came out fairly quickly. If it gets right down into the gap between the rotor and shield it is almost impossible for it to come out and you need to remove the wheel to get at the stone. I now carry a scissor jack and an extending wheel brace in my boot for this purpose.
Cheers Jim. I was looking for a place to pull over or turn out of the traffic so I could try the reverse dislodge technique. Luckily the stone dislodged itself very quickly. No harm done (this time) but quite a noise!
I do recall a similar problem quite a few years ago in a previous E93. I was on a French country road that had been recently covered in gravel and some of the stones became trapped touching the brake disc. Very similar noise but louder!
I do recall a similar problem quite a few years ago in a previous E93. I was on a French country road that had been recently covered in gravel and some of the stones became trapped touching the brake disc. Very similar noise but louder!
We’ve only had our G29. 30i six days and this happened today on a short 1 mile trip from home to Tesco on standard residential roads. It has the M Sport + brake package too.
The stone was in the front near side wheel. My wife drove it into the dealers, Dick Lovett, Bristol (where I work) and they popped it on the ramp, took the wheel off and removed the stone.
I wasn’t on site at the time but I’ll try and follow this up with the Workshop Manager next week and see how common it is.
The stone was in the front near side wheel. My wife drove it into the dealers, Dick Lovett, Bristol (where I work) and they popped it on the ramp, took the wheel off and removed the stone.
I wasn’t on site at the time but I’ll try and follow this up with the Workshop Manager next week and see how common it is.
Number5 said:
It will be interesting to hear what your dealer says. It has happened to me 6 times in under 3,000 miles. Each time I reported it to my dealer by email. Twice I had to take the car into the dealer workshop to get the stone taken out. I have also written to Graeme Grieve, UK MD, to complain and all I got was a “sorry to hear that” and a some financial credit against future BMW services etc. :thumbsdown:
My M40i G29 is only 15 months old and I have only done about 300 miles. First I noticed the brakes squeal as I go down a short slope off the drive. Then randomly squeal on the road.
Then the other day I had a terrible noise with a loud grinding squeal.The exact same problem. A stone chipping off the drive had fallen into the gap between rotor and back plate.The stones stick to the tyres easily as they are a soft compound .I removed it and everything fine so far , except the light squeal.
Can the backplate be modified , maybe extend the shield and bend over ?
I will check with the dealer that supplied The car now they are re opening.
Then the other day I had a terrible noise with a loud grinding squeal.The exact same problem. A stone chipping off the drive had fallen into the gap between rotor and back plate.The stones stick to the tyres easily as they are a soft compound .I removed it and everything fine so far , except the light squeal.
Can the backplate be modified , maybe extend the shield and bend over ?
I will check with the dealer that supplied The car now they are re opening.
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Number5 said:
Perks of the job huh! My next available appointment at my local dealer to sort the annoying I drive bugs and rubbish speakers is the 17th of June and a £15.00 charge for decontamination.
Still no issues with stones on mine but the brakes squeak a lot now. Attracts attention in town for all the wrong reasons. :|
I remember seeing big sporty type motor bikes in my youth - the big Norton’s and Triumphs etc - they had big drum brakes on the front and had an air scoop - this always had a open mesh cover.
Im sure it’s not beyond the wit of man to fabricate something to cover the void this flare on the backplate?
The M40i that I took out on test had a stone wedge before 30 miles were done. The more folk who complain the better in my opinion.
Im sure it’s not beyond the wit of man to fabricate something to cover the void this flare on the backplate?
The M40i that I took out on test had a stone wedge before 30 miles were done. The more folk who complain the better in my opinion.
This time the stone didn't come out. After 5mins one stone came out (lots of reversing) and after another 5mins another stone came out when making a right turn.
Videos attached of the horrible noise.
Edit: videos didn't upload so here's a couple YouTube links.
2 stones - noise going forwards and reverse
https://youtu.be/GYs6w_2ohUs
1 stone - noise going forwards only
https://youtu.be/YdWhXNaX7jQ
Videos attached of the horrible noise.
Edit: videos didn't upload so here's a couple YouTube links.
2 stones - noise going forwards and reverse
https://youtu.be/GYs6w_2ohUs
1 stone - noise going forwards only
https://youtu.be/YdWhXNaX7jQ