M3 diff installed in non-M Z4

v8z4

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 Fountain Hills, AZ
Last weekend I finished up the complete M3 diff/rear end install into my 2.5i/5 speed Z4.

http://www.z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=50644

I have been driving the car all week with the M3 diff and it's definitely quite a bit quicker. It pulls harder in every gear, it launches better, it decelerates faster (let off gas/no braking), and I think it's actually quieter than the stock Z4 diff. I'm 100% pleased with the results. The only major down side is without an overdrive (I have the 5 speed with 1:1 5th), I'm at near 4000 RPM at 80MPH. Oh well, the 2.5/5speed are not sticking around long term anyways. Also it's a bit clunky (too much back lash in the gears), but nothing unmanageable. As M3 drivers have commented, you learn to drive around the "clunk" really quickly. Now I don't even notice it.

For anyone with a 6 speed (either a 3.0i or the later 2.5i with the 6 speed), I 100% definitely recommend doing the M3 rear swap. It's not hard at all and can be done in a garage on jack stands. The 6 speed cars can use the Z4M drive shaft (I have one in my garage if anyone wants to buy it from me) and will not need to modify anything.

For anyone with a 5 speed, the swap itself is not hard but the drive shaft is a pain. With the 5 speed there is no option but to shorten the 5 speed drive shaft. The 6 speed drive shaft would be too short. You will also need to get the 4 bolt pinion flange AND a 1310 yoke flange to modify your drive shaft. It turns out the BMW friction welds the drive shaft so the rear factory BMW yoke on the flange is not salvageable. So your only option is to cut the drive shaft and convert to a standard 1310 yoke. Again, it's a pain but doable.



NOW, IF you do decide to make this conversion, KEEP YOUR STOCK REAR WHEEL SENSORS!

When I was researching for the swap, I could only find info on swapping the M3 rear into a regular E46 (325/330/etc). Everything I read said the E46 and M3 sensors were different lengths and not compatible (the E46 sensors could be spaced out to work but better to just use M3 sensors). With this in mind, I figured the Z4 sensors wouldn't work unless they were spaced out so using M3 sensors just seemed the logical solution.

After I swapped in the rear end, I immediately started having issues with my speedometer. It would "work" and give me accurate speed, however it would randomly "jump". By "jump" I mean I would be sitting perfectly still and the speedometer would "bounce" from zero to 20MPH constantly. It was almost like there was noise on the line. The doors would randomly lock/unlock, the AC would trip things out, the air bag system even thought I had been in a crash. I was totally lost.

Well, someone in another thread (the E46 CANBus thread I'm part of) mentioned that some people who had done E46-to-M3 rear end swaps had issued with the M3 wheel sensors' signals and were forced to go back to the standard E46 wheel sensor. This got me to thinking that I might as well give the original Z4 wheel sensors a shot. I knew they worked and I could easily space them out to fit as need be. Crazy thing, it turns out the M3 and Z4 wheel sensors are dimensionally identical. I can install the Z4 sensor in the M3 trailing arm, and the M3 sensor in the Z4 trailing arm. So I pulled the M3 sensors, installed the Z4 sensors, and sure enough the problem instantly went away.

SOOOOO, again IF you decide to swap the M3 rear end into something, KEEP YOUR STOCK WHEEL SENSORS!


Update: I was asked how to avoid buying a Z4M shaft (save money) and also avoid changing the pinion yoke/flange like I did. So, I suggested the following:

Start with the stock Z4 drive shaft (either 5 speed or 6 speed, whichever transmission you have), get a used M3 drive shaft (does not matter from what car). Cut the back flange off the Z4 shaft (in the straight section, stay away from the tapered/necked down area). Cut the M3 shaft (cut it long to be safe) so you have the diff end CV joint section. Make an adapter sleeve from steel bar that has steps, one end for the Z4 shaft, the other end for the M3 shaft (see picture):

The ID/OD interface needs to be around 0.005" press fit (is what I'm told by drive shaft shops and is what I used on my shaft).
 
O my o my i now have something to do with the spare time and cash i don't have. I have been thinking about this and now there are no excuses!!

What are the differences in Ratios and what are the benefits to performance straight line speed. Or is there no benefit in that way?

Obviously having a LSD is going to be much more fun in the twistes.

As said on your other post bloody well done. I might be getting the start of a man crush hear........
 
Machine monkey said:
O my o my i now have something to do with the spare time and cash i don't have. I have been thinking about this and now there are no excuses!!

What are the differences in Ratios and what are the benefits to performance straight line speed. Or is there no benefit in that way?

Obviously having a LSD is going to be much more fun in the twistes.

As said on your other post bloody well done. I might be getting the start of a man crush hear........

Having a 6 speed car, I can't come up with a reason for you to not to do the swap. It's no harder than a bushing swap project (arguably easier since it's just unbolt one, bolt another one in). If you can get access to an air compressor and impact wrench it will make the job a lot easier (I can't imagine having to pull everything using hand tools....doable but slow/much harder).

The 3.64 gives more torque multiplication at the rear wheels, so under all circumstances it will be "quicker".

As an example, lets assume your engine is delivering 100ft/lbs of torque into the rear end (so 100ft/lbs coming down the drive shaft). With the stock 3.46 gears you will have 346ft/lbs at the tires. With the M3's 3.64 gears you will have 364ft/lbs. So 20ft/lb increase (which is certainly noticeable).

Going further, not assume your engine is delivering 200ft/lbs of torque. 3.46 gears will give 692ft/lbs while the 3.64 gears will give 728ft/lbs (36ft/lb increase).


The LSD is helpful in all conditions as well. With the stock "open" diff, only one wheel actually drives the car (go put your car on jack stands.... it's kind of funny). With the LSD, both wheels drive the car. Two tires obviously have more traction than one, so both "twistes" and straight line will be more fun.
 
Sold got to track down a diff now. Its going to be so easy to do my brothers a mechanic. I have assess to the lift and the air tools. Best start saving :D
 
Machine monkey said:
Sold got to track down a diff now. Its going to be so easy to do my brothers a mechanic. I have assess to the lift and the air tools. Best start saving :D

Then in that case it should be a breeze (I have air tools but did it on jack stands since I don't have a lift). Best case is to find a complete rear end (including brakes) since that will ensure you have everything.

I need to find someone to buy the Z4M drive shaft I have.
 
v8z4 said:
Machine monkey said:
Sold got to track down a diff now. Its going to be so easy to do my brothers a mechanic. I have assess to the lift and the air tools. Best start saving :D

Then in that case it should be a breeze (I have air tools but did it on jack stands since I don't have a lift). Best case is to find a complete rear end (including brakes) since that will ensure you have everything.

I need to find someone to buy the Z4M drive shaft I have.

Wasn't there a thread on zpost about ppl wanting to source a drive shaft to give a manufacturer to create a carbon shaft??
 
Woots said:
v8z4 said:
Machine monkey said:
Sold got to track down a diff now. Its going to be so easy to do my brothers a mechanic. I have assess to the lift and the air tools. Best start saving :D

Then in that case it should be a breeze (I have air tools but did it on jack stands since I don't have a lift). Best case is to find a complete rear end (including brakes) since that will ensure you have everything.

I need to find someone to buy the Z4M drive shaft I have.

Wasn't there a thread on zpost about ppl wanting to source a drive shaft to give a manufacturer to create a carbon shaft??

Hmmm.... I guess I'll go have a look. If you know of the thread, please PM it to me cause I really need to get rid of this Z4M drive shaft (get some money back out of it).
 
v8z4 said:
Hmmm.... I guess I'll go have a look. If you know of the thread, please PM it to me cause I really need to get rid of this Z4M drive shaft (get some money back out of it).

http://www.zpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=541332

Not sure if they sourced one or if the idea died, but as usual on zpost something interesting turns into the second civil war :poke:
 
Woots said:
v8z4 said:
Hmmm.... I guess I'll go have a look. If you know of the thread, please PM it to me cause I really need to get rid of this Z4M drive shaft (get some money back out of it).

http://www.zpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=541332

Not sure if they sourced one or if the idea died, but as usual on zpost something interesting turns into the second civil war :poke:

Thanks. I posted that I have a drive shaft, so I'll hope someone writes me back.
 
Just had a look and i cant afford one right now!! Its really got me thinking about getting hold written off M3 and just turn my car into one!!!
 
Machine monkey said:
Just had a look and i cant afford one right now!! Its really got me thinking about getting hold written off M3 and just turn my car into one!!!

Why not buy a z4m then lol??
 
v8z4 said:
With the stock "open" diff, only one wheel actually drives the car (go put your car on jack stands.... it's kind of funny). With the LSD, both wheels drive the car. Two tires obviously have more traction than one, so both "twistes" and straight line will be more fun.

If you seriously believe this to be true I suggest you do not carry out any form of DIY mechanical work on your car until you have read some books.

A standard diff uses side gears/spider gears to enable the driven wheels (yes plural - both wheels drive the car!) to rotate at different rates to allow cornering. The system is very efficient when traction is good (on roads) but will by design direct more power to the wheel with least resistance (ie a wheel losing traction in mud/gravel) thus causing wheelspin.

A limited slip diff operates like a mini clutch system to resist this effect so that the power directed to the driven wheels is more equally balanced even when traction is compromised.

Massively over simplified but there you go that's why if you jack the back end of your car up and drive the wheels one will spin due to no resistance. :o
 
GreyZed said:
v8z4 said:
With the stock "open" diff, only one wheel actually drives the car (go put your car on jack stands.... it's kind of funny). With the LSD, both wheels drive the car. Two tires obviously have more traction than one, so both "twistes" and straight line will be more fun.

If you seriously believe this to be true I suggest you do not carry out any form of DIY mechanical work on your car until you have read some books.

A standard diff uses side gears/spider gears to enable the driven wheels (yes plural - both wheels drive the car!) to rotate at different rates to allow cornering. The system is very efficient when traction is good (on roads) but will by design direct more power to the wheel with least resistance (ie a wheel losing traction in mud/gravel) thus causing wheelspin.

A limited slip diff operates like a mini clutch system to resist this effect so that the power directed to the driven wheels is more equally balanced even when traction is compromised.

Massively over simplified but there you go that's why if you jack the back end of your car up and drive the wheels one will spin due to no resistance. :o

That might be a bit harsh. I recon there a lots of competent amateur and professional mechanics out there that couldn't give a perfect recollection of how an LSD works. Bet they are still good at there jobs. And anyway isn't this what forums are about? Chatting learning. You obviously have a great deal of knowledge GreyZed and v8z4 obviously know about a bit of stuff to even attempt something like this. I have great ideas for things all the time. The thing that stops me is a lack of info knowledge and time. This forum can help with all of those. I would really like to supercharge my car with a twin screw type charger. I can make the brackets i could make it fit. Its the lack of understanding/ Working out what size and would this work would that work that is stopping me. I hope when i get round to it there will be someone else with that particular skill set wanting one too. And i could help with my skills.

Monkey
 
Machine monkey said:
Where is the fun in just buying it. E92 running gear and that v8 into my zed sounds like a great idea :evil:

Oh u mean e92 m3..into a zed body...

Now that's a project I want to see :thumbsup:
 
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