M worth the extra over 3.0si???

Poll Poll 3.0si or M?

  • 3.0si Coupe

    Votes: 24 27.9%
  • M roadster

    Votes: 35 40.7%
  • M Coupe

    Votes: 27 31.4%

  • Total voters
    86
Like quite a few of the people who have contributed to this thread, I've owned both a 3-litre Zed Roadster (pre-facelift 231bhp, not the Si) and now a Z4MC. In total I've been a Zed owner now for getting on for 9 straight years.

I LOVED my Z4MR, it was the best car I ever had, until i had my M. It's that simple for me. But in mitigation it depends on how you will use the car. My M is a weekend toy. If you can afford the extra running costs then it is a great car but you do need to consider how you will use it. As a mainly commuting tool I think they are a bit pointless really. You end up with crap MPG and a lot of mileage in conditions where you just don't get to exploit what it is good at and it would frustrate the hell out of me having all of that power and potential for smiles but not being able to use it. If though, the majority of your time in the car is "fun time" then get the M every day of the week.

The car does cost a lot more to run. Whether that's 20%,30%, 50% or whatever, it just does unless you are doing peanuts mileage. I average about 22-23mpg in mine, 25-26 on open road runs. As Zermatt says, it will probably average about 8mpg less than a 3-litre in the same circumstances. The tax is a lot, and I suspect the differential between M and Si will get worse not better in the coming years. Servicing is expensive. One or two of the M protagonists have been a little disingenuous about the servicing costs. Inspections are expensive, much more expensive than a 3-litre. An Inspection 1 will be around £600-700 in the BMW network and an Inspection 2 around £700-900. That is double what a 3-litre will be. If you like the peace of mind of a warranty too then that is also very expensive - mine is £85 a month for a zero excess comprehensive option, although you can reduce that by having less cover and greater excess. I don't know what the equivalent cost on a 3-litre Si would be but I bet it is a lot less than that. Insurance is a bit dearer for most but not cripplingly so.

So in summary - if your smiles miles are greater than your commuting miles choose an M. If it's the other way around either buy an Si or do as Adamski's suggests, and buy a shed like I did, for the commute, so you keep something special for the weekends/holidays.
 
I love my 3.0Si Coupe but i think i need to have a go in the M to make my mind up once and for all.
 
Stug said:
26 mpg from an M and 31 from a 3.0si? Lmao thats ridiculous. For me to average 26mpg I would have to drive an M very gently. If I drove the 3.0si in that manner I see over 40mpg?
Unless the M I borrowed was just a very thirsty one ? The 3.0si is by far a better car as a daily driver. If you only want it for weekends buy an M...

Not at all, I average 26.1 in my ///M and I'm not a gentle driver. As with Tom, mainly weekend hoons/ drives through the countryside or around town etc. No 100 mile motorway cruises at 65mph.

ZermattV said:
and both cost exactly the same to buy ? -this seems to have fallen out of the Excel Sheet :poke: -i love man maths -which is not a science its an artform - which I have been guilty of once in a while too.

And I don't get the spurious consumable figure which is used as a fiddle factor to pull the consumables within 20 %

I'm not saying its double - but its certainly more than 20% .

I've already conceded 20% and said that 30% is more reasonable. The only "spurious" figure on the consumables (500 and 650) is a 30% difference, so not a 20% fiddle factor. Why not put together your own consumable costs for a comparison. These cars are both very reliable so 'most' owners probably wouldn't see much difference in terms of consumables anyway.

Perhaps we could use warranty costs instead of "miscellaneous" £500 and £650 to make the comparison more reliable.

I've never used a warranty so can't help, but what would be the comparative yearly warranty costs for a 30.si and an ///M of say 40k mileage on 6k per annum?

I haven't included purchase price as we are talking about running costs and not buying costs.

The fact is that when you look at the costs, the ///M is not that much more expensive to run (ignoring purchase costs) than the 3.0si.
 
ZermattV said:
Im around 22mpg on the M, was 30MPG on the 3.0, the engine is always warmed up before i put any revs on it on both cars. Driving style is the same in both cars very little motorway or town driving - mainly Scottish A Roads and B roads .

OK, so using an 8mpg difference the ///M will be 35% more expensive (£84 PCM) on a INSP II service cycle and 30% on an oil service cycle.
 
I have the 3.0si Coupe. Personally I love the M Coupe look, but real world performance (up to an just over legal) you'll not notice the difference if you can drive. On the Kent run recently I had no problems keeping up with the "fast pack" who were mainly M's.

When I looked I could afford the M Coupe, but I was realistic about the running costs. Recently on a sensible run up the motorway I got just shy of 38mpg on the run and still had fun doing it. Around town I get 31-33. With the M I just couldn't justify the fuel for the extra oomph. Having said that I didn't sell my TVR for the fun days.
 
An average of 32mph over 14,000 miles I would say is fairly normal? Like I said I live in country not the city, there is barely any traffic, no stop start just lots of good twisty roads. :thumbsup:

I don't use my M for commuting generally because I have a cooper s that I use daily but have ended up doing 20k in the mini and 14k in the Z in 2 years I've owned both and bought both within a week of each other. so there isn't a huge amount of difference. Just love using it and the love doesn't seem to disappear always feels special, the Cs isn't slow either and the Z always feels epic jumping from one to the other.

It does depend on your driving style and how you will use it.

I agree with OG, my warranty is the same price at £85 with a £100 excess but mine has a bit more milage I think.

BMW are pretty good with M cars tho, I got a new set of tyres, 2 year warranty, Inspection II done, a full wheel refurb, new pads all round and £1000 off the asking price so if you push you can get a good deal but it took a lot and back and forth for about 2 weeks. It was also October when I bought mine so a good time to buy as they are desperate to get rid. Similar with a private sale only problem is you can only haggle on price, that lot is probably £3700 worth I would have had to pay for on top of the purchase price obviously wouldn't have cost BMW that but as a consumer. But also the problem with BMW, the car wasn't up to AUC standard when I was buying it, which is classic BMW they will do the bare minimum for their AUC and put the car up for premium so a little bit of knowledge can save you some money. :thumbsup:
 
Wildfire said:
I have the 3.0si Coupe. Personally I love the M Coupe look, but real world performance (up to an just over legal) you'll not notice the difference if you can drive. On the Kent run recently I had no problems keeping up with the "fast pack" who were mainly M's.

When I looked I could afford the M Coupe, but I was realistic about the running costs. Recently on a sensible run up the motorway I got just shy of 38mpg on the run and still had fun doing it. Around town I get 31-33. With the M I just couldn't justify the fuel for the extra oomph. Having said that I didn't sell my TVR for the fun days.

I also agree with this. The M isn't for everyone it was a very quirky car made for a very niche market, the 3.0SI is 80% the car the M is, a very capable car and on my forum runs on the road there isn't much difference, track driving maybe but that wasn't really a consideration for me. I just liked the standard extras the M came with, found the electronic steering awful in comparison and the S54 with its exhaust note was the selling point. It also has a presence on the road the standard one doesn't have, many people spend a lot dressing their 3.0ls as Ms to get the same look but the better economy which I suppose makes it 85%, but the S54 really is that special. What an engine 80% of torque from 2k revs screaming all the way to the red line its an experience that is worth every penny head over heart.
 
Wildfire said:
I have the 3.0si Coupe. Personally I love the M Coupe look, but real world performance (up to an just over legal) you'll not notice the difference if you can drive. On the Kent run recently I had no problems keeping up with the "fast pack" who were mainly M's.

In my opinion, that is where the misconception of the M lies. It is not just about the borderline performance, or (to quote Breaker :D "real life performance"), it is about the whole M package that is so much more than outright performance.

Starting a 3.0 is like starting any car, it might as well be a 3 series or anything similar to that. There is nothing special about it. Starting an M with the slightly irregular sound when stone cold is a different experience, the deep rumbling, the stiff gears, it is all more special to drive. The LSD in this weather with the leafs on the road is very beneficial as well, the 3.0 does not have that. The bulge in the bonnet, another subtle "muscle car" difference, the quad exhausts and the overall "special" attention an M gets in general from the motoring enthusiasts makes it more of a true special sports car.

It is an "M lifestyle" :D
 
I sometimes get the feeling that the final response to a thread on this forum entitled " What is the meaning of Life? " would end ....you need to buy an M Coupe...

the above is said a little in jest ,the M is a great car, i love the change from the 3.0 but for a lot of people looking at buying a Zed for the first time the 3.0 is more than enough- even on the above ambitious figures the M will cost more than 30 % to run and at least that to purchase over a 3.0.
 
pvr said:
Starting a 3.0 is like starting any car, it might as well be a 3 series or anything similar to that. There is nothing special about it. Starting an M with the slightly irregular sound when stone cold is a different experience, the deep rumbling, the stiff gears, it is all more special to drive. The LSD in this weather with the leafs on the road is very beneficial as well, the 3.0 does not have that. The bulge in the bonnet, another subtle "muscle car" difference, the quad exhausts and the overall "special" attention an M gets in general from the motoring enthusiasts makes it more of a true special sports car.

Quoted for the truth. :thumbsup:
 
Ive noticed most of the M owners stating good figures use it as a weekend car avoiding the daily commute. As I said before if its a weekend car you are looking for buy the M. No question. However as an every day car the 3.0si is easily the best choice.
 
This conversation was designed by BMW.

Theres a reason for model designation, and the ///M is at the top of the pile and the most desirable. Now the costs are less than 50% of their original the decision is easier and these cars are quite affordable. I grew up with M cars as my dad was an M nut and I was used to being around M cars the standard ones didn't feel as special. Its a personal decision.

The other decision for me being a young guy when I bought it was that I felt it was a good time to enjoy something like this while I could, life sometimes takes over and having the Z in the garage can be an escape. Also with the housing market the way it is, marriage kids etc I wanted to enjoy it now rather than not be able to do it until an older age with other things getting in the way.

A bit cliched but also you don't know whats round the corner.
 
LOL at some of the economy figures in this thread. High 30s and low 40s in a 3.0!? Give me a break. Maybe if you reset the MPG counter while cruising at 65mph and hold your speed there, but in the real world where you have to brake, stop and pull away every couple of minutes, even averaging 30 is bloody difficult. I'm happy as long as mine stays over 25.
 
Simon_P said:
pvr said:
Starting a 3.0 is like starting any car, it might as well be a 3 series or anything similar to that. There is nothing special about it. Starting an M with the slightly irregular sound when stone cold is a different experience, the deep rumbling, the stiff gears, it is all more special to drive. The LSD in this weather with the leafs on the road is very beneficial as well, the 3.0 does not have that. The bulge in the bonnet, another subtle "muscle car" difference, the quad exhausts and the overall "special" attention an M gets in general from the motoring enthusiasts makes it more of a true special sports car.

Quoted for the truth. :thumbsup:
I really liked starting my old Z4M in the garage as I always reversed it in & the sound it made on start up was sublime :thumbsup:
 
LeeZ4MR said:
Simon_P said:
pvr said:
Starting a 3.0 is like starting any car, it might as well be a 3 series or anything similar to that. There is nothing special about it. Starting an M with the slightly irregular sound when stone cold is a different experience, the deep rumbling, the stiff gears, it is all more special to drive. The LSD in this weather with the leafs on the road is very beneficial as well, the 3.0 does not have that. The bulge in the bonnet, another subtle "muscle car" difference, the quad exhausts and the overall "special" attention an M gets in general from the motoring enthusiasts makes it more of a true special sports car.

Quoted for the truth. :thumbsup:
I really liked starting my old Z4M in the garage as I always reversed it in & the sound it made on start up was sublime :thumbsup:

Yup same as me and with the colder weather it really barks - my poor rabbit isn't impressed!
 
BeemerMad said:
Adamski said:
I wouldn't want to stick 7,000 commuting miles on an M (or si for that matter) each year. Just my opinion of course, but I'd get a shed to throw the mileage on, and keep the M for weekend use. I was doing 8,000 miles a year in the zed, and ended up running a separate daily driver so I could keep the zed for the weekend.

For what it's worth, I'd get the M

Why wouldnt you put 7,000 miles on a Z? Its a car at the end of the day?
+1
 
Wildfire said:
real world performance (up to an just over legal) you'll not notice the difference if you can drive. On the Kent run recently I had no problems keeping up with the "fast pack" who were mainly M's.

This is true. You have to get up towards 100mph to really see a big difference, when the M starts to pull away rapidly. So track days or Autobahn only in the real world.
 
pvr said:
Wildfire said:
I have the 3.0si Coupe. Personally I love the M Coupe look, but real world performance (up to an just over legal) you'll not notice the difference if you can drive. On the Kent run recently I had no problems keeping up with the "fast pack" who were mainly M's.

In my opinion, that is where the misconception of the M lies. It is not just about the borderline performance, or (to quote Breaker :D "real life performance"), it is about the whole M package that is so much more than outright performance.

Starting a 3.0 is like starting any car, it might as well be a 3 series or anything similar to that. There is nothing special about it. Starting an M with the slightly irregular sound when stone cold is a different experience, the deep rumbling, the stiff gears, it is all more special to drive. The LSD in this weather with the leafs on the road is very beneficial as well, the 3.0 does not have that. The bulge in the bonnet, another subtle "muscle car" difference, the quad exhausts and the overall "special" attention an M gets in general from the motoring enthusiasts makes it more of a true special sports car.

It is an "M lifestyle" :D

Well put pvr :thumbsup:

The difference is greater than the sum of its parts.
 
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