Nothing you're quoting is a shock or a surprise. All those vehicles you're quoting are falling back to money they were pre covid.
I also dont think quoting cars with 70+K milage that are 10 years newer vs the same milage on a 16 year old car is the same thing.
For example a 70+K m2/m4 or 85k 981 wouldn't interest me what so ever because putting a load of milage on those is going to show a steep depreciation curve when you want to move it on too and the likelihood is there's some spends for those cars too. Whereas a 70k mile Z4M is low milage at this point.
Another thing to bear in mind is the Z4M didn't appreciate neither did it depreciate in that covid period. As you well know they have flatlined for years with the only outliers being the extremes of both ends of the milage spectrum.
Z4Ms have never been expensive for what you got. Ive said a million times my coupe was 4 years old in 2010 and I paid £17.5k from BMW with a 2 year warranty with 43k miles on it. So how does that compare with today?
There are 4 cars under 50k for sale and the cheapest is a CatD with 44k on it for £18,995. Second cheapest is a 38.5k car for £24,600 granted its been for sale for a while.
Also you have to be on the higher end of risk spectrum to be spending under 20k on a 997 with 90-100k on it. Anyone with any knowledge of 911s would have red flags waving or absolutely desperate to get into one at that money. It would also be a tiptronic with probably a random colour combo that nobody wants without any desirable options. In fact the cheapest manual 997 coupe under 70k on auto trader is £26k atm and its a really early one so if were comparing, thats like what 14k more than a Z4M that you quoted above? Essentially you're doubling the budget.
Buying that car over a Z4M with the same milage is a completely different proposition. Again, as you well know.
The porshe price spectrum has always been all over the place you can buy a same year 997 with 70k for 20k or 30k and there are obvious reasons for the price difference that ones been cared and has some desirable options that makes these cars and the other probably needs 10k spending on it. Z4Ms are needy but man the 997 is a completely different ball game if longevity is the aim of the game.
Also you talking about an m4 at 70K being £30k 12 months ago. I went to look at an M4 comp in December 2019 that was 2 year old with 25k on the clock and was £35k so again a standard M4 with 70k on it under 25k doesn't surprise me especially as it will be an early car and not that desirable.
Also comparing an M2 and an M4 you also know well as you have documented it more than once that the driving experience is mostly missing. Although when it comes to performance for price there's an argument but when it comes to what the Z4M has over those cars I would argue is the unique selling point. Manual, NA, less weight more involving. Basically what an M car should be whereas those cars have moved away from that recipe.
So ye its all horses for courses but honestly nothing your saying I think should be a worry for any buyer or seller, I dont think its going to make much difference at all.
If there is one thing you can say about the Z4M, they have flat lined for so long they are a relatively safe bet in a market place where prices are all over the place and as I mentioned there are more potential buyers than cars available.
Pretty sure over the years you have bought and sold and always made a little bit of money somewhere on an M so think the whole convo is a bit interesting Tbh you trying to tee the marketplace up for a return?
I also dont think quoting cars with 70+K milage that are 10 years newer vs the same milage on a 16 year old car is the same thing.
For example a 70+K m2/m4 or 85k 981 wouldn't interest me what so ever because putting a load of milage on those is going to show a steep depreciation curve when you want to move it on too and the likelihood is there's some spends for those cars too. Whereas a 70k mile Z4M is low milage at this point.
Another thing to bear in mind is the Z4M didn't appreciate neither did it depreciate in that covid period. As you well know they have flatlined for years with the only outliers being the extremes of both ends of the milage spectrum.
Z4Ms have never been expensive for what you got. Ive said a million times my coupe was 4 years old in 2010 and I paid £17.5k from BMW with a 2 year warranty with 43k miles on it. So how does that compare with today?
There are 4 cars under 50k for sale and the cheapest is a CatD with 44k on it for £18,995. Second cheapest is a 38.5k car for £24,600 granted its been for sale for a while.
Also you have to be on the higher end of risk spectrum to be spending under 20k on a 997 with 90-100k on it. Anyone with any knowledge of 911s would have red flags waving or absolutely desperate to get into one at that money. It would also be a tiptronic with probably a random colour combo that nobody wants without any desirable options. In fact the cheapest manual 997 coupe under 70k on auto trader is £26k atm and its a really early one so if were comparing, thats like what 14k more than a Z4M that you quoted above? Essentially you're doubling the budget.
Buying that car over a Z4M with the same milage is a completely different proposition. Again, as you well know.
The porshe price spectrum has always been all over the place you can buy a same year 997 with 70k for 20k or 30k and there are obvious reasons for the price difference that ones been cared and has some desirable options that makes these cars and the other probably needs 10k spending on it. Z4Ms are needy but man the 997 is a completely different ball game if longevity is the aim of the game.
Also you talking about an m4 at 70K being £30k 12 months ago. I went to look at an M4 comp in December 2019 that was 2 year old with 25k on the clock and was £35k so again a standard M4 with 70k on it under 25k doesn't surprise me especially as it will be an early car and not that desirable.
Also comparing an M2 and an M4 you also know well as you have documented it more than once that the driving experience is mostly missing. Although when it comes to performance for price there's an argument but when it comes to what the Z4M has over those cars I would argue is the unique selling point. Manual, NA, less weight more involving. Basically what an M car should be whereas those cars have moved away from that recipe.
So ye its all horses for courses but honestly nothing your saying I think should be a worry for any buyer or seller, I dont think its going to make much difference at all.
If there is one thing you can say about the Z4M, they have flat lined for so long they are a relatively safe bet in a market place where prices are all over the place and as I mentioned there are more potential buyers than cars available.
Pretty sure over the years you have bought and sold and always made a little bit of money somewhere on an M so think the whole convo is a bit interesting Tbh you trying to tee the marketplace up for a return?
i can categorically say with total conviction this will not be happening , the right Si maybe , the right 89 also a maybe but a S54 ? absolutely no way , had 3 , nothing there to lure me back .
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