M market watch

MikeMR said:
Noted on the missing pics under the bonnet, will get some this weekend and include in the advert. Used to have a 147 GTA and the Busso was an absolute thing of beauty when polished up!

Regarding the spoiler / visual mods. I'm not sure how hard it would be to remove? Came with the car originally and while wasn't my favourite design, didn't ever look into removing it. Anyone know if they are drilled/screwed on or is it just 3M (etc) tape? The front Zunsport grill is a 2 min job to remove, so could be reverted to standard very quickly.

As you say though taz, peoples opinions differ so will likely leave it on.

Thanks again for everyone's comments, this forum was a big part in having two of these over the years. Huge source of info, how tos, discussions, the market place and just a generally helpful bunch which made ownership so easy so thanks!
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You cannot remove the boot spoiler as the paint underneath it will come off as well, and yes - it is tape, but the type to be once on only. Easier to find a replacement boot lid without one with someone who would want to swap.

Don't think it would stop the sale of the car though as I would look through that and would replace the boot.

More important for me is that the car has been garaged, the one I have now came from Scotland and not garaged so it gives rust challenges.
 
snotrag said:
Been lurking around on here a fair bit since buying my Roadster earlier this year - Yes., the coupes are what everyone talks about but I'd massively disagree with:

Gwest44 said:
Market's dead for the roadster - everyone's chasing the coupe
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Roadsters in general are more popular here in the UK than nearly anywhere else, and for many people (myself included) a Coupe is simply missing the point of a 'toy' car. The E85 doesnt even suffer from the one thing that the proponents of the 'coupes are stiffer' brag about - they are very stiff and dont really scuttle shake (certainly better then a 986 Boxster!).

I've worked professionally on vehicle chassis design systems and dynamics, I like the odd trackday, I'm all about handling and feel (check my history of cars, its always been about the chassis not the power) but I'd still say that the ability to drop the roof on a 2 seat sports car trumps any last fraction of a %age in torsional rigidity or reduced lap time of a coupe.

It will always be each to their own, but its simply not true to claim that no one wants a Roadster. Timing is your biggest issue - they just arent wanting them now!
I've owned tens of open top/roadster/sports type cars an the market for all of them is very, very seasonal. If at all you can wait till March/April, then I would reccomend it.

And all photos sohuld have the roof off other than one to show the hood condition. And if the roof is down, the windows should be down. Sell the dream! :D
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i agree whole heartedly.... Stiffness / torsional is just not even in the equation with the z4mr , its stiffer than an exige for gods sake and near as dammit stiffness rating as the NEW spyder GT4 RS..... it was and will always be a badass platform. i had the choice of both coupe or roadster and drove both back to back..... for me the roadster was just perfect, and still is today. i adore mine and have scalped many a GT porsche on the track with it in my time. most of all..... just look at it..... the roadster roof off, just looks meant to be this way. i cant bring myself to part with it, and i drive so many high end cars for work and this thing just makes me always come back it pondering how i cant afford to better it significantly.
 

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Having owned both MC and MR (Taz has my Sepang MR now), I'd say the reason I sold the roadster so quickly (a few months) was because I was measuring it against my experience in the MC. Whilst the driving experience in the MR was lovely, sounded good, roof down motoring etc - it just didn't look as good, feel as special or as rare as the MC - even in Sepang. At the end of the day, ownership for me is mostly about that special feeling.

Its all personal preference in the M Coupe vs M Roadster debate. Always has been, always will be.

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R60BBA said:
The E86 M Coupé will always be the more desired car.
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That always surprised me as it was an afterthought, looked awkward with the bit added on top of a roadster and was cheaper to buy. Anyway, each to their own.
 
inkey$ said:
Its all personal preference in the M Coupe vs M Roadster debate. Always has been, always will be.
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I think that sums it up nicely. :thumbsup:

I've never had, and never wanted, any sort of convertible. It was the looks of the E86 that drew me to Z4s. But plenty of people love the roof down experience, I'm just not one of them!

It's interesting that the split of Ms in the UK was virtually 50/50 between Roadsters and Coupes. :lol:
 
Certainly going to be a interesting 12 months for the M car .
Personal thoughts ? i can only see a significant fall in values to the point where they were 5 6 7 years ago ( for me the bottom of their values )
The VED , service costs + MPG are slowly killing these off ( the worsening economic downturn will speed this up )
Whilst still desirable for some there are fewer & fewer "would be" owners capable or willing to stomach the overheads .
Insurance may well be relatively cheap but the majority of owners SORN for the bulk of the year so kinda makes that a false economy :cry:
by April / May id expect to see decent 70k ZMRs back to £12k/£13k with similar ZMCs 10% more & for examples not in tiptop order RE service + condition :cry: unless you want to give them away forget it . . . buyers will be able to get very choosy
 
Well that's a cheerful outlook! :lol:

You may be right, but I hope you're not!
 
:D I may yet be back in one.

I enjoy driving my little MX5 around the local twisties. But it has no heart.

That said I'm watching M40i prices. The newer car appears so much cheaper to run.
 
buzyg said:
:D I may yet be back in one.

I enjoy driving my little MX5 around the local twisties. But it has no heart.

That said I'm watching M40i prices. The newer car appears so much cheaper to run.
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There dropping now, I have been keeping an eye on them.
 
buzyg said:
:D I may yet be back in one.

I enjoy driving my little MX5 around the local twisties. But it has no heart.

That said I'm watching M40i prices. The newer car appears so much cheaper to run.
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The G29 is just a stock technology car so it should be pretty bombproof..probably go down in history as the most reliable, most durable Zed ever..

On the other hand if people think an E89 is a comfort cruising barge then….
 
buzyg said:
I may yet be back in one.

I enjoy driving my little MX5 around the local twisties. But it has no heart.

That said I'm watching M40i prices. The newer car appears so much cheaper to run.
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Possibly for now while most are in warranty and the issues haven't happened yet!

I may be wrong but I doubt you'd think a G29 had heart compared to an MR - just wait for mr_wilks predicted bargain prices. :lol:
 
Mr Tidy said:
I may be wrong but I doubt you'd think a G29 had heart compared to an MR
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I’ll take you for a run in mine when we meet up on one of the Scottish runs Iain and we’ll see what you think :wink: :driving:
 
mr wilks said:
Certainly going to be a interesting 12 months for the M car .
Personal thoughts ? i can only see a significant fall in values to the point where they were 5 6 7 years ago ( for me the bottom of their values )
The VED , service costs + MPG are slowly killing these off ( the worsening economic downturn will speed this up )
Whilst still desirable for some there are fewer & fewer "would be" owners capable or willing to stomach the overheads .
Insurance may well be relatively cheap but the majority of owners SORN for the bulk of the year so kinda makes that a false economy :cry:
by April / May id expect to see decent 70k ZMRs back to £12k/£13k with similar ZMCs 10% more & for examples not in tiptop order RE service + condition :cry: unless you want to give them away forget it . . . buyers will be able to get very choosy
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So 15-16k should bag me a beauty in the spring then?
 
I don't really get the logic. I bought mine in 2019 with 63k on it for 14k so basically what your saying is they will be inline with pre covid lol.

Ye they cost money but they always have. Every single sports car past march 06 is in the same boat. So does that mean all 911s will go down the pan too, if so count me in.

Even with the complaint of tax going up, when I got my first M it was about £500 a year to tax, now what 12 years later its gone up to £695 ye its a pain but we arent talking huge amounts of money.

That £695 is still way less than most 10% PCP contracts atm for anything else in the same category. In fact I would be interested in any new car that is like the Z4M. Oh wait they dont exist.

Also with new cars tax rules you will be paying similar amounts if not more anyway and after the first year an additional £390 is added until it's under 40K or first 5 years? Even if the new car is in band K you will be paying the same money. So how is any other newer car in a different position.

If anything it's just positive for prospective buyers. It's just post covid prices settling but the Zs didn't really move so I cant see it making a big difference. There are so few and are super niche that there are more people wanting them than there are cars.

I didn't buy mine to make money but to enjoy and all cars are a false economy, nobody makes any money by the time you add the maintenance tax and insurance.

I cant think of any modern sports car under 80k that I would want to buy currently. They are all boring, all look the same and dont have much feeling.

If that means my little pocket rocket 14k M car that you never see on the road costs me a couple of hundred more £ per year so be it.

I would be in a much worse position trying to PCP a brand new M car that will depreciate like a stone and cost £1500 a month to rent.

When you start looking at the costs to get into something new then the money were talking about here is completely void and what you get for your money is staggering compared to anything currently on the market.
 
Funny enough, my X5M has now reduced from the punitive level of first x years of elevated tax to £180 a year. That is cheaper now than my classic Golf that is twice as much.
 
@tomscott
911 ( 997 ) values are already well south from where they reached 2 yrs ago & still falling .sub £20k gets a decent 05/06 90k car
Same story with 981 Caymans . £22k gets a 85k 14plate & only £320 yr ved :oops:
Can only imagine another 10% off these by Easter which won't help ZMvalues one bit .
Bear in mind this country as had mega low %rates & hasn't experienced any fiscal downturn for 15 - 16 yrs :wink: all very relevant to values of impractical weekend treat cars .
Can't ignore M2 M4 values either.
Right now 70 M4 sub 70k for sale on At under £25k
M2s 66 plate 75k around £21k -£22k
Both above circa £30k 12 months ago .


Buckle up , it could be bumpy ride 2024
 
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