London...

[Angelus666]

I'm struggling with some of this....so, apparently he was 'known' to MI5...so we must presume he's on their watch list, but yet he drive from Birmingham into the city of London (the most CCTV'd place on the planet)...come towards Parliament (surely that should have triggered alarms)...mow down some people, then approach parliament on foot, stab a police officer before he's finally dealt with.

Shouldn't he be pulled over once he enters London and questioned over why he is there??!

What the f**k are our intelligence agencies actually doing....??!

 

[elevensies]

A tragedy for those caught up in it but surprised it's taken this long before something kicked off, looks like the police were onto it quick thank god.

Tim.

Tim, it hasnt this was just one they hadnt caught before it occurred, there's many 'incidents' that dont get published in press for obvious reasons, and i cant tell you more but there's many.

ironically to bolster above statement, how many people up until yesterdays news release knew about the laptop bombing on the airplane last year, none is my bet, until it affected people wanting to take laptops etc aboard...
goes to show you.
sad as it all is, we will never win this...ever

 

[elevensies]

I'm struggling with some of this....so, apparently he was 'known' to MI5...so we must presume he's on their watch list, but yet he drive from Birmingham into the city of London (the most CCTV'd place on the planet)...come towards Parliament (surely that should have triggered alarms)...mow down some people, then approach parliament on foot, stab a police officer before he's finally dealt with.

Shouldn't he be pulled over once he enters London and questioned over why he is there??!

What the f**k are our intelligence agencies actually doing....??!

he was in a rented car...the car wouldnt have been picked up by any monitoring device as suspect, as every hertz etc car would get stopped, secondly he would have been known as part of a group, now thats it, unfortunately until you do an act of terror your ant classified as a terrorist, and in our democratic land you cant be arrested for being a member of something, again ironic but true.

had the terrorist done something prior to this he would have been picked up long ago. mi5, mi6, and AIS are on the ball with the 100+ terrorist groups known.

 

[maxman]

I'm struggling with some of this....so, apparently he was 'known' to MI5...so we must presume he's on their watch list, but yet he drive from Birmingham into the city of London (the most CCTV'd place on the planet)...come towards Parliament (surely that should have triggered alarms)...mow down some people, then approach parliament on foot, stab a police officer before he's finally dealt with.

Shouldn't he be pulled over once he enters London and questioned over why he is there??!

What the f**k are our intelligence agencies actually doing....??!

They can't just pull people the moment they leave their home turf even though they are on a watch list as you would have the do gooders and such like saying they are being victimised .If their is any blame to be attached,it should be the scumbag and associates..
For their personal safety ,I think all police who are on guard duty should be armed.

 

[Angelus666]

Facial recognition has come a long way, so he would have been picked up by a number of cameras driving into town.....and surely you can literally stop anyone who is on a MI5 watch list, especially when they are in London, next to parliament, in a rented car!

Stopping the people we don't know is the challenge, but surely we must do a better job with those we actually know about!

 

[Geezah]

Bring back the death penalty for treason, we are at war with extremist nutjobs, get rid of them for good. Anything else and we are just compounding future problems.

 

[jabber]

What annoys me is members of the armed forces being hounded and imprisioned for killing these bastards

 

[Ducklakeview]

What annoys me is members of the armed forces being hounded and imprisioned for killing these bastards

Mike

 

[David-H]

I'm struggling with some of this....so, apparently he was 'known' to MI5...so we must presume he's on their watch list, but yet he drive from Birmingham into the city of London (the most CCTV'd place on the planet)...come towards Parliament (surely that should have triggered alarms)...mow down some people, then approach parliament on foot, stab a police officer before he's finally dealt with.

Shouldn't he be pulled over once he enters London and questioned over why he is there??!

What the f**k are our intelligence agencies actually doing....??!

WAS is the key here, in that the last time he committed an offence was more than ten years ago and there are >3000 people on the watch list and they can't all be kept under surveillance 24/7! Surely, you don't believe that CCTV will identify someone like this when he's inside a hire car within a matter of minutes? FFS!

 

[Mr Tidy]

What annoys me is members of the armed forces being hounded and imprisioned for killing these bastards

Hopefully not any more - I'm sure I read recently that the main driver behind that process (a lawyer IIRC) has been seriously discredited.

Shame there were 3 shots - I would rather the perpetrator had suffered a bit more.

Perhaps all police officers on duty at Westminster should be armed - I'd be in favour of that.

My thoughts are with all the innocent victims and their friends and families.

 

[Angelus666]

I'm struggling with some of this....so, apparently he was 'known' to MI5...so we must presume he's on their watch list, but yet he drive from Birmingham into the city of London (the most CCTV'd place on the planet)...come towards Parliament (surely that should have triggered alarms)...mow down some people, then approach parliament on foot, stab a police officer before he's finally dealt with.

Shouldn't he be pulled over once he enters London and questioned over why he is there??!

What the f**k are our intelligence agencies actually doing....??!

WAS is the key here, in that the last time he committed an offence was more than ten years ago and there are >3000 people on the watch list and they can't all be kept under surveillance 24/7! Surely, you don't believe that CCTV will identify someone like this when he's inside a hire car within a matter of minutes? FFS!

Ha, I work within the tech industry and even luxury retailers have the facial recognition tech to know when a repeat/good customer comes back into store within 5 seconds.....so it must stand to reason the intelligence agencies have the technology to know when a 'known' person is entering an environment that he shouldn't normally be in (even in a hire car).

 

[David-H]

I'm struggling with some of this....so, apparently he was 'known' to MI5...so we must presume he's on their watch list, but yet he drive from Birmingham into the city of London (the most CCTV'd place on the planet)...come towards Parliament (surely that should have triggered alarms)...mow down some people, then approach parliament on foot, stab a police officer before he's finally dealt with.

Shouldn't he be pulled over once he enters London and questioned over why he is there??!

What the f**k are our intelligence agencies actually doing....??!

WAS is the key here, in that the last time he committed an offence was more than ten years ago and there are >3000 people on the watch list and they can't all be kept under surveillance 24/7! Surely, you don't believe that CCTV will identify someone like this when he's inside a hire car within a matter of minutes? FFS!

Ha, I work within the tech industry and even luxury retailers have the facial recognition tech to know when a repeat/good customer comes back into store within 5 seconds.....so it must stand to reason the intelligence agencies have the technology to know when a 'known' person is entering an environment that he shouldn't normally be in (even in a hire car).

So, someone born in Kent shouldn't normally be in the middle of London? :roll:

 

[elevensies]

Shouldn't he be pulled over once he enters London and questioned over why he is there??!

What the f**k are our intelligence agencies actually doing....??!

Ha, I work within the tech industry and even luxury retailers have the facial recognition tech to know when a repeat/good customer comes back into store within 5 seconds.....so it must stand to reason the intelligence agencies have the technology to know when a 'known' person is entering an environment that he shouldn't normally be in (even in a hire car).

er not quite, the industry has come a very long way, but were not quite at Hollywood stages yet, thats down to COST
department stores banks and the like can invest 2 million on a series of security measures, but now take that to a UK wide scale.....then ask why have our council tax bills gone up 30%
it all comes down to realistic and quantifiable security, bean crunching, call it what you like.
this world is ruined because of greed.
iv had the pleasure of working in environments, most of you could never imagine, and always, i you turn my head, and the greedy power crazed is the other side of the proverbial road.
I have said before, WE wont win against this while we have people in power too scared to make the decision (unlike Russia)

Look at south America, they are not suffering at the hands like the rest of the world, ask why? they have their own maffia related issues but their tolerance for this is zero,
Russia, again no great desire for isis and such to go there as its a country that wont tolerate
hard countries that take skill and desire to frighten

us lot, we are a push over, once behind out locked doors at night with the tv on and a glass of wine!!

 

[Ewazix]

I'm struggling with some of this....so, apparently he was 'known' to MI5...so we must presume he's on their watch list, but yet he drive from Birmingham into the city of London (the most CCTV'd place on the planet)...come towards Parliament (surely that should have triggered alarms)...mow down some people, then approach parliament on foot, stab a police officer before he's finally dealt with.

Shouldn't he be pulled over once he enters London and questioned over why he is there??!

What the f**k are our intelligence agencies actually doing....??!

WAS is the key here, in that the last time he committed an offence was more than ten years ago and there are >3000 people on the watch list and they can't all be kept under surveillance 24/7! Surely, you don't believe that CCTV will identify someone like this when he's inside a hire car within a matter of minutes? FFS!

Ha, I work within the tech industry and even luxury retailers have the facial recognition tech to know when a repeat/good customer comes back into store within 5 seconds.....so it must stand to reason the intelligence agencies have the technology to know when a 'known' person is entering an environment that he shouldn't normally be in (even in a hire car).

Really? you know Bourne, Bond and Spooks is fiction I hope! In the 'real world' low tech loners and sleepers marauding with freely available weapons is a tactic that is impossible to completely guard against, even in authoritarian locked down zones like the West Bank of Israel let alone the West Bank of London. The only comfort from this sort of pointless barbarism is that the Brit's have seen worse and not been phased, and using radicalised psychopaths on suicide missions smacks of desperation.

 

[extrablatt]

One of these most depressing things I've heard about this -- addition to the still rising death toll -- is the terrorist was from Kent. With all the anti-immigrant sentiment in the media, it just goes to show they shouldn't have the finger pointed at them.

7/7 was the same, with 3 of 4 British born. Being from the likes of High Wycombe and Aylesbury.

I'm glad that it's business as usual in London. We can't let the terrorists win.

 

[Paulr]

Ha, I work within the tech industry and even luxury retailers have the facial recognition tech to know when a repeat/good customer comes back into store within 5 seconds.....so it must stand to reason the intelligence agencies have the technology to know when a 'known' person is entering an environment that he shouldn't normally be in (even in a hire car).

er not quite, the industry has come a very long way, but were not quite at Hollywood stages yet, thats down to COST
department stores banks and the like can invest 2 million on a series of security measures, but now take that to a UK wide scale.....then ask why have our council tax bills gone up 30%
it all comes down to realistic and quantifiable security, bean crunching, call it what you like.
this world is ruined because of greed.
iv had the pleasure of working in environments, most of you could never imagine, and always, i you turn my head, and the greedy power crazed is the other side of the proverbial road.
I have said before, WE wont win against this while we have people in power too scared to make the decision (unlike Russia)

Look at south America, they are not suffering at the hands like the rest of the world, ask why? they have their own maffia related issues but their tolerance for this is zero,
Russia, again no great desire for isis and such to go there as its a country that wont tolerate
hard countries that take skill and desire to frighten

us lot, we are a push over, once behind out locked doors at night with the tv on and a glass of wine!!

That sounds like you are suggesting Russia and south America are better places to live than the UK because of their hard line attitudes?

 

[Angelus666]

WAS is the key here, in that the last time he committed an offence was more than ten years ago and there are >3000 people on the watch list and they can't all be kept under surveillance 24/7! Surely, you don't believe that CCTV will identify someone like this when he's inside a hire car within a matter of minutes? FFS!

Ha, I work within the tech industry and even luxury retailers have the facial recognition tech to know when a repeat/good customer comes back into store within 5 seconds.....so it must stand to reason the intelligence agencies have the technology to know when a 'known' person is entering an environment that he shouldn't normally be in (even in a hire car).

Really? you know Bourne, Bond and Spooks is fiction I hope! In the 'real world' low tech loners and sleepers marauding with freely available weapons is a tactic that is impossible to completely guard against, even in authoritarian locked down zones like the West Bank of Israel let alone the West Bank of London. The only comfort from this sort of pointless barbarism is that the Brit's have seen worse and not been phased, and using radicalised psychopaths on suicide missions smacks of desperation.

Maybe my point was lost a little....this guy was on the watch list, he was known to MI5, his face would have been on the database...I completely agree it's almost impossible to stop an unknown creating havoc, but surely the people we have marked on an MI5 watch list should be easy to spot coming into a high target area like Westminster....or am I missing something?!

 

[Ewazix]

Ha, I work within the tech industry and even luxury retailers have the facial recognition tech to know when a repeat/good customer comes back into store within 5 seconds.....so it must stand to reason the intelligence agencies have the technology to know when a 'known' person is entering an environment that he shouldn't normally be in (even in a hire car).

Really? you know Bourne, Bond and Spooks is fiction I hope! In the 'real world' low tech loners and sleepers marauding with freely available weapons is a tactic that is impossible to completely guard against, even in authoritarian locked down zones like the West Bank of Israel let alone the West Bank of London. The only comfort from this sort of pointless barbarism is that the Brit's have seen worse and not been phased, and using radicalised psychopaths on suicide missions smacks of desperation.

Maybe my point was lost a little....this guy was on the watch list, he was known to MI5, his face would have been on the database...I completely agree it's almost impossible to stop an unknown creating havoc, but surely the people we have marked on an MI5 watch list should be easy to spot coming into a high target area like Westminster....or am I missing something?!

Are you seriously suggesting that technology is available that can reliably scan a face (driver? rear passenger?), possibly wearing shades, hat etc in a moving hire vehicle? even UK border control requires you to stand still, no glasses and look directly in to the camera and moving CCTV of people on foot (let alone in a vehicle) is currently wildly unreliable. The thing you ARE missing is that the US and other Western protagonist have tried increasingly high tech responses which give a false sense of security against low tech, low profile terrorist. The UK has a solid background of 'hearts and minds', and intelligence led strategies against terrorism, that ultimately will be the way forward.

 

[maxman]

One of these most depressing things I've heard about this -- addition to the still rising death toll -- is the terrorist was from Kent. With all the anti-immigrant sentiment in the media, it just goes to show they shouldn't have the finger pointed at them.

7/7 was the same, with 3 of 4 British born. Being from the likes of High Wycombe and Aylesbury.

I'm glad that it's business as usual in London. We can't let the terrorists win.

They might be born in the U.K. but they don't see themselves as British and never will,how we deal with it I don't know.There are towns and cities in England and Wales that have people with the same attitude..Controling immigration has got to be a start.

 

[elevensies]

not suggesting a better place to live at all, i was pointing out that we are easy because of our way of life, we are an easy target for this to happen because we have liberal do-gooders, and the fact no one has said, enough is enough.

they dont class british as anything at all, we are merely a vessel for them to get more, just as every country is.
I cant debate on here, about this, but seeing is believing, and not everyone wants to see.
everyone serves a master, just some masters rule with an iron fist.