Last ringtrip of 2014 + suspension settings Bilstein PSS-10

Franzino

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The Nurburgring season of 2015 is going to start for me next month. This was my last lap of 2014!

The car felt great on the ring in the end of 2014; with the Vibratech engine mounts, RTAB limitors, Bilstein Suspension, AP Brakes and Michelin Supersport tyres. Great is an understatement! The car felt awesome!!! This is a movie of the very last lap of that day at the end of 2014... I was the very last person allowed on the track and the ring was almost empty (sounds like adream). It was a great lap; besides the big crash of two unfortunate Opel Speedster drivers :(

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6yPVp5Jjl0

The visit before this one; I found that the grip of the tyres was somewhat lesser then before and the car slided more. At the time I was driving with suspension settings 5/5 and 6/6. The harder the suspension, the lower the grip is the ruleĀ…. With setting 6/6 I felt lesser grip then before but also lesser body movement. I'm driving with Michelin Supersport tyres; they are realy good "road" tyres and also preform rather nice on trackdays. But they are not semislick tracktyres, like a Michelin Cup tyre. I started experimenting a little with the settings of the dampers.

The Nurburgring is a really bumpy track and in my opinion it's not a good idea to put the suspension to hard. For testing purpose; I tried setting 7 front and rear and the car was undriveable on the ring and jumped almost of track. So last time I tried setting 4 front and 4 rear again (on the street; nowadays I'm driving with 3 front and and a softer 2 rear). The 4/4 setting felt really great on the Nurburgring with a very nice compromise between tyre grip, body movement and road balance. I was talking to a German guy with a black Z4M roadster on the parking. He had exactly the same Bilstein PSS-10 suspension and CSL wheel set-up as my car. His Z4M was fitted with semislick Michelin Cup tyres and this made him put his suspension a little harder then mine (5 front and 5 rear). He also found this the best handling set-up for his Z4M on the ring and it seems to make perfect sense that I would put my Bilsteins one setting lower then him, considering I don't have semislick tyres fitted and will have less tyregrip then him. Next visit I'm trying a little stiffer at the front (5 front / 4 rear) to compare it with 4/4 all round. Because with 4/4 all round there are 2 places where my front tyres hit the inner wheel arch slightly when there is a extreme compression of the suspension.

I know suspension settings and handling also has to do with personal taste... For example; Exdos puts the settings of his Bilstein harder when driving on the ring then me. He likes it better and maybe it also has to do with the fact that he has a stiffer coupe then my roadster? Eitherway; that is the great thing about the Bilstein PSS-10, you can make small suspensions adjustments really fast between street and track (and personal preference). IMO the Bilstein PSS-10 is a street suspension that is also suitable on track. This is how I made my Z4M...it's a very nice street car that is also suitable and very fun (and fast) on the occasional trackday and ring visit. I tried to make a car that is the best of both worlds (street <-> track). My Z4M comes on a track (95% Nurburgring) around 10 times a year and the rest of the time it's a street car (reason why I got a roadster)... For a car that sees 80% track time I would probably go for some more track orinetated suspension like a KW Clubsport, Intrax and also a rollcage, Recaro bucket seats, semilsick tyres, etc...

Only one thing to do on the list is to get a new alignment to get back some better and faster turn in response...that I lost a little after fitting the Bilstein.
 
Franzino said:
I know suspension settings and handling also has to do with personal taste... For example; Exdos puts the settings of his Bilstein harder when driving on the ring then me. He likes it better and maybe it also has to do with the fact that he has a stiffer coupe then my roadster?

Franzino, my suspension is actually AC Schnitzer Racing Suspension not Bilstein PSS10. I know it's manufactured by Bilstein and based on the PSS9, but it's supposed to be manufactured to AC Schnitzer's own specification which I presume is somewhat different to the Bilstein PSS10, so comparing our suspension settings might be like comparing oranges with tangerines?

I think the actual numbers on the settings are irrelevant for comparison and only useful for your own personal reference when making adjustments. I'm sure that we've both set-up our suspensions to suit all the different mods on our cars and what feels right to both of us when we're behind the wheel. Like you, I love adjustable suspension because it means that when you understand how damper settings affect the handling of your car and you've found the right settings for different conditions, its a relatively simple task of making the adjustments to suit the occasion and I think that's the only time the numbers are relevant.

I went for a fast road trip at the weekend in mine and the car handles superbly on the twisties near me, which aren't dissimilar to the Nordschleife. And, it's extremely comfortable too! :driving: 8)
 
Nice video thanks for sharing. I will do the ring one day but i spend a lot of time watching the crash videos!! So i will be a bit scared!!
I always watch a crash video or 2 before a track day or spirited drive! Just as a reminder to keep withing my talent limits!!

The car seems to be behaving nicely. And you can hear the breaks working and giving the tyres a good work out :thumbsup: I have been running my car a lot softer on the settings recently. Its not an M and only on road so far but i have found it to be not only more comfortable. But more predictable and more complaint it seems to let you know things are happening better???

That little fiesta at the end was doing very well. Love those little cars we had a 1.6 zetech about 3 years ago i miss it!!
 
Cool vid mate. You are a brave man, those walls are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo close.!!!!!!!!

I'd love a blast around the ring but to properly enjoy it I'd have to be driving somebody else's car. :thumbsup:
 
Nice lap, not much to quibble about there ... ;)

Regarding suspension settings, I think generally people tend to run their suspension too hard, as you say a little more compliance allows the suspension to work a little more and seek out more grip; in the wet softer still will also help.

Just as an aside when you quote numbers e.g. 5/5 I assume you are counting clicks from full soft? Is this Bilsteins method? I ask because I had a long chat with Guy from Nitron about this and he said to always work in clicks from full hard (FFH) as that was a reliable fixed point, whereas the full soft point was a bit ... variable ...

And how many clicks in total do you have?
 
The AC Schnitzer Racing suspension has 9 clicks (combined rebound and compression), where 9= full soft and 1= full hard. Personally, I don't find that setting 1 is "rock" hard ( but I set the dampers at 2/2 for The Ring with hot tyre pressures set at 2.1bar F and 2.2bar R) and, for me, the important thing with a "street/track" adjustable suspension is that it should have a useable range across the full adjustment range giving a very compliant ride/handling on B-Roads (5/6) and a good firm ride on track. I know many say that The Ring is bumpy, but in comparison to the twisties I'm used to (I live in the sticks), it's pretty damed smooth, so the suspension can be set quite a bit stiffer than my fast B-Road settings, and I like those softer than most.

The Bilstein PSS10 has 10 clicks (combined rebound and compression), where 10= full hard and 1= full soft. Although the ACS Racing suspension is manufactured by Bilstein, you'll note that the numbering system for the settings is the opposite way round.
 
exdos said:
Franzino said:
I know suspension settings and handling also has to do with personal taste... For example; Exdos puts the settings of his Bilstein harder when driving on the ring then me. He likes it better and maybe it also has to do with the fact that he has a stiffer coupe then my roadster?

Franzino, my suspension is actually AC Schnitzer Racing Suspension not Bilstein PSS10. I know it's manufactured by Bilstein and based on the PSS9, but it's supposed to be manufactured to AC Schnitzer's own specification which I presume is somewhat different to the Bilstein PSS10, so comparing our suspension settings might be like comparing oranges with tangerines?

You are correct; I forgot your suspension is the AC suspension build by Bilstein and similar to PSS-9 & PSS-10. It will be roughly the same, but there will be some difference's that make this a unique AC Schnitzer suspension.
 
Yorkie Z said:
Cool vid mate. You are a brave man, those walls are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo close.!!!!!!!!

I'd love a blast around the ring but to properly enjoy it I'd have to be driving somebody else's car. :thumbsup:

That is a rather strange remark. I only properly enjoy it full 100% in my own car!
I drove the ring in some else his car (Z4M coupe, F430, M3, Scirocco)... I'm 100% sure I rather drive the ring in my own car then in somebody else's his car..! I know my own car best and I rather have damage with my own car, then somebody else his car.
 
Really jealous of you guys on the continent. So many quality tracks for you guys to tear around on... :(

I'll definitely try and watch the clip later!
 
Im gutted, I thought I was watching a 3 liter because I could not see the ridge's on the bonnet, that explains why the car looked quick
 
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