Labour leader ….

It'll be interesting to see how he 'controls' the 'Blairite' Labour MPs - for all the talk of 'unity' there seem to be a large number of Labour MPs who will struggle to get 'on message' with his policies

A number of political pundits have been suggesting that, if he's still in charge in a years' time, the Labour party could end up splitting...
 
A weeks a long time in politics. But personal opinion is that unless Corbyn has a radical change of view Labour will be between a rock and a hard place - not different enough to tempt lapsed voters back from the SNP (with no independence carrot to dangle either) and not in any way appealing to Middle England.

It depends on how he performs but if those policies he's previously espoused make into a manifesto they can kiss gooobye to power for a generation.
 
Surely he would have to change the entire shadow cabinet as nobody supported him? Even his new deputy on the Andrew Marr show this morning was not agreeing with (some) of his policies, and some of the comments were quite cringy where he said that "he had to make Jeremy see that Trident was important" etc. Does not sound like too much unity to me.

I do think that the great unwashed will probably make an effort to vote next time though, so there will be as many people leaving the labour party as probably entering it.
 
There's been a massive swing to the right in English politics thanks the Arse being made by Europe.

The labour party have decided that swinging hard left is the best way forward.

Retards the lot of them!
 
JC is the best thing that can happen to the Labour Party - years and years of back room deals between the lefty left and the moderate centre have resulted in an unelectable spaghetti western of a party

What will happen now is that the Labour Party will split - leaving the true left Labour Party that it once was (a more honest representation) to represent the part of this country that still needs this support ( oh yes these people do exist)

The rest will form a new party with what's left of the lib dems - and if they get it right - this party has the potential to relate to the currently unrepresented majority who currently ( mostly reluctantly) nail their colours to the dodgy Tory mast - thinking that some crusts may fall from the table

Oh I hate politics - wouldn't be wasting my time with this if I wasn't bored at the airport lol
 
Some interesting and valid comments .Just harking back to the Queen of Scotland I note they (she) are going to announce the requirements for another in/out vote ! Running scared already ? I also wonder if his previous friendly association with Sinn Fein will induce the members of Sinn Fein to now take there seats in the house ?
 
pvr said:
I do think that the great unwashed will probably make an effort to vote next time though, so there will be as many people leaving the labour party as probably entering it.
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Whilst I agree generally with the sentiment expressed I have to say using the term " the great unwashed " is insulting and derogatory - not quite sure why you used it - unless I have misinterpreted the meaning it seems to suggest that all supporters of JC or Left Wing fall in to this category. Whilst I am not a supporter I know a lot of people who are , including my own daughter , who are passionate over many of today's social issues .

She attended the " March" yesterday along with many people of all cultures and backgrounds.
 
I'm one if the great unwashed ... Got laid off on Friday :) lol ... Oh hang on my consultancy is still paying its way oh well.

Let's give this one a go and see what happens. I know plenty of staunch labourites and to be fair most of them were unimpressed with all of the candidates.
If jc does what I think he will do and shifts labour a bit left cameron ,Osborn and the conservatives will clamour to fill the middle ground so by definition will move a bit left.

I can't see any of the other leader contenders committing political suicide and not taking a cabin ate position.

Whitehall no matter what govt is in will still rule the show behind so any of the major economic things will probably stay put and some of the loony ideas will just get quietly dropped.

A bit of left wing politics will be good. UKIP and any of its nuts supporters has shown us that for the far right. We all complained that the 2 parties in the last election were just a bunch of middle ground "new labour light" so now maybe we might just get an alternative.
 
I think pvr is referring to the rent-a-mob crowd who appear to turn up at every demo with their Socialist Worker Party placards and scarves around their faces. We used to call them "crusties" in my day. They've been out on the fringe for years because no sane party would ever entertain their policies but maybe now they've found a willing ear in Corbyn.

Does anyone else think this is effectively a Trade Union coup of the party? As if Labour are all of a sudden going to find hundreds of thousands of new members virtually overnight when they've just been thrashed at the last election with a leader who was already quite left leaning. There's a reason Corbyn and his ilk never made it as leader before. It's no coincidence that a Trade Union bill is about to go through parliament, finally putting an end to the farce of strikes where about 10% of the membership have voted 'yes'.

You can never discount anything in politics but I think Labour, unless something miraculous happens, are absolutely stuffed for a generation. They don't appeal to the mainstream electorate with their core beliefs any more. The world moves on and the comrades haven't.
 
24 things that Jeremy Corbyn believes

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34209478

Give Northern Ireland to the Irish and Argentina can have the Falklands.

Good luck with that !
 
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I think pvr is referring to the rent-a-mob crowd who appear to turn up at every demo with their Socialist Worker Party placards and scarves around their faces. We used to call them "crusties" in my day. They've been out on the fringe for years because no sane party would ever entertain their policies but maybe now they've found a willing ear in Corbyn.

Does anyone else think this is effectively a Trade Union coup of the party? As if Labour are all of a sudden going to find hundreds of thousands of new members virtually overnight when they've just been thrashed at the last election with a leader who was already quite left leaning. There's a reason Corbyn and his ilk never made it as leader before. It's no coincidence that a Trade Union bill is about to go through parliament, finally putting an end to the farce of strikes where about 10% of the membership have voted 'yes'.

You can never discount anything in politics but I think Labour, unless something miraculous happens, are absolutely stuffed for a generation. They don't appeal to the mainstream electorate with their core beliefs any more. The world moves on and the comrades haven't.
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For the purpose of debate the urban dictionary defines the "great unwashed" as : Lower classes , common people.

Interestingly the Independent has reported that 15500 people joined the labour party 24 hrs after JC's election.
 
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Interestingly the Independent has reported that 15500 people joined the labour party 24 hrs after JC's election.
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Probably yet more Trade Unionists to keep the party on a leash and out of office.
 
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Interestingly the Independent has reported that 15500 people joined the labour party 24 hrs after JC's election.
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Probably yet more Trade Unionists to keep the party on a leash and out of office.
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Don't quite understand this - why would rank and file Trade Unionists want to keep their own party out of office ? i would have thought they would have all been party members and vote - perhaps I've missed something here - I am an old git so this could be the case :rofl:

Without any evidence to substantiate one way or the other it is equally possible that these new members could be disillusioned masses from the " common people "
 
Yes - apologies. The militant Labour group I was referring to that has suddenly come out of the woodwork.
 
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Interestingly the Independent has reported that 15500 people joined the labour party 24 hrs after JC's election.
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Probably yet more Trade Unionists to keep the party on a leash and out of office.
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Don't quite understand this - why would rank and file Trade Unionists want to keep their own party out of office ? i would have thought they would have all been party members and vote - perhaps I've missed something here - I am an old git so this could be the case :rofl:

Without any evidence to substantiate one way or the other it is equally possible that these new members could be disillusioned masses from the " common people "
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From a standing start UKIP has got 4 million odd voters - I'd hazard a guess at nearly half of these being the masses labour have lost.

Getting a Left whinger in charge isn't going to win them back.

Especially not one who want to open the refugee floodgates !
 
PM Q's time is going to be very interesting. According to J.C. he wants a different style of question time, more facts and less hilarity . Not sure how he will achieve that . It will be the first public test of the new leader in debate. I am sure not only he but his cabinet choices will come under scrutiny. Bring it on.
 
Quite apt that with Tom as Deputy and Jerry as Leader, the next few years of Labour will become The Tom & Jerry Show. :)
 
I'd pay good money to watch Corbyn and Farage in a head to head on the Telly
But think the unthinkable -what if Corbyn and Trump were duly elected -truly polar opposites and neither strikes me as being the sharpest tool in the box
 
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