Labour. Didn't take long!
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buzyg said:This thread is depressing me.
Me too. I hope none of the public sector workers being slated in this thread don't read the comments before providing you all with services.
If the public sector is such a cushy number it does make you wonder why they have so much trouble recruiting and retaining staff? :roll:
I always regarded my public sector pensions as a deferred benefit to compensate for salaries that were consistently below those in the private sector. The % contribution rose substantially over the years - I think I was paying 13.5% when I left. Final salary schemes are also a thing of the past now.
Nanu said:
What nonsense. Did you even bother to look at how far behind public sector workers salaries have fallen since 2010? I can see no logical reason why the public sector workforce should be any less well off than the private sector and if Labour, having won a huge majority, are able to make some inroads to that inequitable situation then I'm happy to support it ,even if I'm personally worse off.
pvr said:
How many of these people who have "done nothing" do you think there are? Do they outnumber the people who get fat cat salaries for polluting our waterways, for screwing us over on PPL contracts, rely on tax avoidance etc etc. There are bad apples in all parts of society. The vast majority work hard for a living all their lives and pay taxes, many doing unglamourous, lowly or even unpaid roles which means they don't accumulate much in the way of wealth. No such thing as society in your world eh, its all about your money and holding on to it, each man for himself?
Do you support 100% inheritance tax as well then as people who have worked to buy their own house, have to get rid of it for social care, so if they die without needing social care, their posessions should go to the State as well as your last sentence seems to imply that it can't be about "your" money as it should be used by the State instead?
Vornwend said:buzyg said:This thread is depressing me.
Me too. I hope none of the public sector workers being slated in this thread don't read the comments before providing you all with services.
If the public sector is such a cushy number it does make you wonder why they have so much trouble recruiting and retaining staff? :roll:
I always regarded my public sector pensions as a deferred benefit to compensate for salaries that were consistently below those in the private sector. The % contribution rose substantially over the years - I think I was paying 13.5% when I left. Final salary schemes are also a thing of the past now.
Nanu said:
What nonsense. Did you even bother to look at how far behind public sector workers salaries have fallen since 2010? I can see no logical reason why the public sector workforce should be any less well off than the private sector and if Labour, having won a huge majority, are able to make some inroads to that inequitable situation then I'm happy to support it ,even if I'm personally worse off.
Yep me too. I don't get the adversity against public sector workers. So you work hard all your life and god forbid you're allowed a decent pension scheme at the end of it because you've been sitting on your backside doing bugger all for all those years.
One of the reasons I took early retirement was the stress, no staff and recruitment, low moral, etc. Alot of ignorance out there.
I know of people self employed who take the attitude how dare you retire and it's alright for some with a cushy work pension but hang on they pay sod all into any pension and then wonder they'll have to carry on until they drop.
Tim.
Vornwend said:
I think there are 100s of 1000s of them. On the other hand there are a relative handful of fat cats in both the pubic and private sectors, targeting them is purely for headlines, no real value in it..
The government simply don't want people to die with any kind of wealth. Which I understand the necessity for. Either a country needs immigrants to do the jobs at the base of the pyramid or it needs the next generation to be as poor as the last and hence take those jobs. Having escaped from the base of the pyramid doesn't make me a supporter of such a policy though.
A lot of people working for small companies in mindless jobs of maybe 2 to 4 workers with a low wage, no proper company pension and not earning enough to pay into a private pension. Everything going towards living, that's why 'they'll have to work until they drop'. How lucky to be able to take early retirement from the 'stress'.
MikeyH said:
I left school at 16 with zilch qualifications and thought that's no good so spent another year in evening classes through scrimping and saving to get the olevels I needed to get into University and do the the 4 year degree I needed as part of my work placement. Worked my way up over the years to a team manager from my work placement. I guess you get out of it what hard work you put into it 8)
Tim.
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TitanTim said:
But to be fair Tim, I remember you saying you had 'help' with 'workshops' and the like when it came to retiring (early I presume).
There are millions and millions of us that don't get any pension contributions from anybody all our lives, let alone a publicly paid for 'workshop' to help with the transition. Which is OK, as the vast majority of us won't ever be able to afford to retire anyway!
These discussions between public sector and private sector are pointless IMO. I see it is as two completely different worlds, let alone sectors. I know many people now who have retired early, most around 60, but a couple at 55 ish.
Apart from one, they ALL worked for the Government in one form or another. The one that didn't sold his business at 52, after spending 30 years working 14 hours a day, 6 days a week.
ONLY someone in the public sector would even think that.Vornwend said:
What a load of bollox. You can't presume EVERYBODY in the public sector gets paid well by reading crap from (Government supported) fiscal studies or the ONS....I promise you they don't.
They (we) don't have a deferred benefit system. Yet EVERYBODY in the public sector does to one degree or another.
As I said above; they are completely different worlds.
Pondrew said:TitanTim said:
But to be fair Tim, I remember you saying you had 'help' with 'workshops' and the like when it came to retiring (early I presume).
There are millions and millions of us that don't get any pension contributions from anybody all our lives, let alone a publicly paid for 'workshop' to help with the transition. Which is OK, as the vast majority of us won't ever be able to afford to retire anyway!
These discussions between public sector and private sector are pointless IMO. I see it is as two completely different worlds, let alone sectors. I know many people now who have retired early, most around 60, but a couple at 55 ish.
Apart from one, they ALL worked for the Government in one form or another. The one that didn't sold his business at 52, after spending 30 years working 14 hours a day, 6 days a week.
Yes I did, one mornings workshop
Sorry I think what's annoyed me slightly, can you tell :lol: is because I took the choice in my working life in the public sector then people think its an easy working free loading life. Granted the pension scheme in Local Government is good but when I joined Local Government in the early 80s it was the time of Maggie Thatcher's 3 million unemployed and at that time a job in Local Government was considered a job for life so thought I'd have some of that if I can. The pension part of it I never gave it a thought being 17 at the time. In many ways I was probably lucky considering I left school with nothing. Just gets on my goat that people tar all public sector workers as lazy arses when they probably don't really understand some of the crappy jobs public sector workers do for the great unwashed public.
Tim.
I wrote the software that deals with the Payable Orders (basically Government unsigned cheques), meaning I visited hundreds and hundreds of Government sector offices from national Government such as the Dept of Health to the bigger local councils over the years. There is some generalisation in there, but that is where my exposure comes from and I hear about the "stress" in those departments which is something that I most of the time did not understand as to me the stress was not being able to pay any employee from that office due to a system fault whilst their stress would be that I kept them from leaving at 15:30 whilst this was going on.
Sick leave was something else I could not understand, there was always someone off sick, especially after a football match. Employees could take holiday whenever, did not matter if it was in the middle of a project and they would not be contactable. That is all fine as that is what you sign up for as an average government employee of those type of departments, but don't expect the same perks then.
Obviously, during and after COVID, most of these employees don't even bother showing up and are "working from home"
In every office, I have met the good guys as well who do a proper job and who we have a laugh with when we throw the diversity target flip charts in the bin.
As Pondrew said - we are never going to agree on the different worlds that exist between private and public sectors, but I think I have a very good understanding of what goes on over there. I do have a good laugh at my sister in law who works for the Home Office with her stress that would not even register on my scale.
Sick leave was something else I could not understand, there was always someone off sick, especially after a football match. Employees could take holiday whenever, did not matter if it was in the middle of a project and they would not be contactable. That is all fine as that is what you sign up for as an average government employee of those type of departments, but don't expect the same perks then.
Obviously, during and after COVID, most of these employees don't even bother showing up and are "working from home"
In every office, I have met the good guys as well who do a proper job and who we have a laugh with when we throw the diversity target flip charts in the bin.
As Pondrew said - we are never going to agree on the different worlds that exist between private and public sectors, but I think I have a very good understanding of what goes on over there. I do have a good laugh at my sister in law who works for the Home Office with her stress that would not even register on my scale.
TitanTim said:
Don't take it personally, no-one is getting at YOU.
We all generalise when it comes to things like this. You are either on one side or the other, not much middle ground IMO.
The thread was supposed to be having a dig at the Labour Government, initially.
Anyway gotta run; I've still got a lot of work to do today before I celebrate my 90th birthday tonight! :lol: :lol:
:lol: I left school in 1970 at 15 apprentice Painter & Decorator £4 17s 6p worked on the tools till 1992 I left my job and started on my own, 10 years later I had 10 employees private pension and every cent provided by my hard work. I retired five years ago at 64 and never looked back. Comfortable and debt free for many years we have a good life. I cannot see Labour doing nowt for me, in fact wealthy pensioners will be a target. We are starting to do 6 months away especially Winter months. This country will become more Woke and minority orientated it will be unbearable.
PS I might add I enjoyed all of my 49 years working life and get the satisfaction that I did all myself (could not of done it without the wife shhhh)
PS I might add I enjoyed all of my 49 years working life and get the satisfaction that I did all myself (could not of done it without the wife shhhh)
Either way its the land of milk and honey for the unions and public sector workers and pain for the rest of us.
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What nonsense. Did you even bother to look at how far behind public sector workers salaries have fallen since 2010? I can see no logical reason why the public sector workforce should be any less well off than the private sector and if Labour, having won a huge majority, are able to make some inroads to that inequitable situation then I'm happy to support it ,even if I'm personally worse off.
[/quote]I can only speak from experience. When I left the police I was on top salary for my role after 31 years. Within a week I was working for the Gambling Commission with less responsibility, working from home, my own boss and earning several thousand more which increased each year.
My time at the NHS was even better, almost double my hourly rate from the Police, again working from home, no supervision as long as the work was done on time no problem what I did for the remainder. I had one role, to interview people suspected of Fraud and produce a report. Nothing complex and no challenge at all but extremely well paid.
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What nonsense. Did you even bother to look at how far behind public sector workers salaries have fallen since 2010? I can see no logical reason why the public sector workforce should be any less well off than the private sector and if Labour, having won a huge majority, are able to make some inroads to that inequitable situation then I'm happy to support it ,even if I'm personally worse off.
[/quote]I can only speak from experience. When I left the police I was on top salary for my role after 31 years. Within a week I was working for the Gambling Commission with less responsibility, working from home, my own boss and earning several thousand more which increased each year.
My time at the NHS was even better, almost double my hourly rate from the Police, again working from home, no supervision as long as the work was done on time no problem what I did for the remainder. I had one role, to interview people suspected of Fraud and produce a report. Nothing complex and no challenge at all but extremely well paid.
