Justice....!

Personally I don't blame them for doing things like this, I'm pretty sick of the Taliban and people like them, I'm sure in the heat of the moment its an easy thing to do without too much thought, and probably happens more than you think. However on the flip side I still think standards should be upheld no matter who the enemy is which makes the British Army what it is today. I do believe the accused was of sound mind and knew exactly what he was doing and has suffered the consequences. I think people need to remove their rose tinted spectacles and not make excuses for a person who committed murder. Rightly or wrongly, the facts were considered, many of which people here would not know about and the conclusion drawn.

Is the sentence right? well he committed murder so?

Tim.
 
markeg said:
Envy, I never said it was justified, please try reading my post before descending into your usual bias. I said that there are mitigating factors that should be taken into consideration. He was tried by Courts Martial, as a military person should be, he went against the ROE.. He was found guilty, which is correct. However, sentencing should be reflective of all considerations, and in this instance I doubt that it was - this was an instance where an example was to be made.

The instance of a murder sentence being reduced because of political agreement is farce. 2 years for murder? I wonder how long he will serve.


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Very well said. Completely agree with you.

He has been made an example of, definitely.
 
Yep and they call all this justice.......... Still don't get my head around when someone breaks into your house and you give them a slap you are in the wrong ????????? Complete bollo#€s I believe that it's all to do with the royal family ? Yep because the queen owns all the land then in effect when some s**t bag breaks into your house they are still on the land owned by the queen therefore no trespass has occurred but say in France or America you own the land as there is no Royal Family so if some arse breaks in you can give them a slap no prob ? Hmmmmm maybe we should change the law ? As I love the Royal Family...... :roll:
 
just to clarify my last post....I was referring to the fact that they have the death penalty in the USA.
 
This type of killing will have happened thousands of times before...and rightly so...and will happen in the future. The huge issue has obviously been the fact that they have a video recording of it that has not been 'wiped clean' They should all have got 10 yrs in a Forces prison for stupidity as the judge is correct in his summation that this particular death simply feeds these lunatics hatred of the UK and the USA. None of us will know how we would have reacted and hindsight is a marvellous thing.
He DID commit murder. He got the only sentence available, Life. With a tarif. I do think he should have remained anonymous and should serve his time in a military jail.

Just my twopenneth.
 
Well said Boris, but I am sure he will be a lot more comfortable in a civi prison than in the Glasshouse.
 
Yes and no. Yes in that an injured enemy will only come back and shoot or bomb again. No in that it makes us as bad as them especially in the daft way in which the marine dispatched said enemy.
I have never been on a battlefield and unlike conflicts of yesteryear where the enemy were obvious, this enemy walk amongst the troops 9 days out 10 then blow the s**t out of them in their mad suicide attacks or blue on blue attacks.
This is not war. It never will be with ideological lunatics. We should never have gone in, but we did.

Bloody politicians. How many of those c#### have sons or daughters who are on the front line ? A very low proportion.
 
It's a bit of a joke really when you think the mother of baby P only served 4 years after admitting causing or allowing her sons death. The poor kid had over 50 injuries.
I know which one I would give a life sentence to. :roll:
 
Because you can't have a "yes and no", it's one thing or the other.

With "Yes in that an injured enemy will only come back and shoot or bomb again" you're mandating killing wounded prisoners. And in saying "This type of killing will have happened thousands of times before...and rightly so..." you make an assumption that lowers our forces to the lowest possible common denominator. Turn that around and think about how you'd feel if all wounded UK troops were simply killed in case they came back and tried again.

No, it's not a "proper" war, but troops get sent in because they're supposed to be above this behaviour.

Bloody politicians. How many of those c#### have sons or daughters who are on the front line ? A very low proportion.
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On this we agree. And if the feckers weren't so busy meddling in the politics of other states in the name of "freedom and security" we'd not be in this mess. Canada has more freedom and security than the US and you don't see them blown up by terrorists or invading other countries.
 
I obviously can have yes and no as this is just a forum and I aren't in the decision making process at local National or International level. If I was! we would not have been the bitch of the USA for decades, dragged wherever their Govt fancy going next.
We or rather certain Squaddies wouldn't drop to this level in a "normal" conflict but based on accounts by friends who have served there, this is no normal conflict and I think we know what' is likely to happen to a captured British soldier in Afghan.
I aren't into internet arguments and don't intend starting now. All the best :thumbsup:
 
Some pretty strong opinions expressed here. Unless you have had your boots on the ground outside the wire and experienced the terror that is everyday existence, then I think it unlikely that you can have a truly informed opinion. We all know what's right and wrong, but not many of us have walked that walk.
The general public are deliberately protected from hearing the details of what the enemy do to service personnel if they get hold of them (dead or alive); may I suggest that if the horrific truth was exposed then the attitude of some folks may be different.
 
Stuart Truman said:
Because you can't have a "yes and no", it's one thing or the other.

With "Yes in that an injured enemy will only come back and shoot or bomb again" you're mandating killing wounded prisoners. And in saying "This type of killing will have happened thousands of times before...and rightly so..." you make an assumption that lowers our forces to the lowest possible common denominator. Turn that around and think about how you'd feel if all wounded UK troops were simply killed in case they came back and tried again.

No, it's not a "proper" war, but troops get sent in because they're supposed to be above this behaviour.

Bloody politicians. How many of those c#### have sons or daughters who are on the front line ? A very low proportion.
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On this we agree. And if the feckers weren't so busy meddling in the politics of other states in the name of "freedom and security" we'd not be in this mess. Canada has more freedom and security than the US and you don't see them blown up by terrorists or invading other countries.
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MPs and truth :thumbsdown:

Although I was born and bred in Yorkshire my family originates from the Northern Frontier Province of Pakistan which is a place where Afghan's flee to in an effort to save their lives and escape persecution. Some of these refugees report that the male members of their families have been kidnapped by the 'Taliban' It is known that these men are forced under fear of their family being slaughtered to carry out attacks against allied troops. These people are also victims and they are civilians.
I don't know the intimate detail of this incident but I am sure any soldier would assess an enemy prisoner of great value in order to interrogate and with information gained potentially save the lives of more allied troops.
 
Its amazing how people view things differently, and rightly so in this modern world, but it really helps when you have the full facts and not the version the papers choose to produce. Having read this I believe that justice was served http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/r-v-blackman-marine-a-sentencing%20remarks.pdf
 
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