Jacking points and axle stands

[inkey$]

Seems to be a lot of threads with mixed information in the forum archives.

How best do you raise an E85/86 so you can remove the front wheel, and where is the best place for a jack stand if you’re in the way with your jack?

I have a low profile trolley jack and plenty of axle stands.

 

[JamieIsf]

Rubber lifting boots on the chassis to lift. Can buy a rubber pad to put on jack to stop the rubber boots breaking.
Axle stands, on the axles.

 

[inkey$]

Thanks. Where on the axle - any useful pics gratefully received.
I get that its the way you’re supposed to lift a car, but why do people vary it and use other methods? Most of the videos Ive seen have cars jacked up from somewhere else under the car with the axle stands placed at the lifting rubbers on each sill.

 

[PDJ]

When the weather warms up and I have sorted out a few other things in life.

I will be making the steel bar that I have tried to draw below this will locate into the plastic jacking point under which I will put the jack directly under the jacking point, raise the car with the jack the usual way then insert the axle stands one at each end then the jack can be safely removed and repeated on the other side with another bar and 2 axle stands I know this means you would nee 6 axle stands in total to get the car up in the air but if it work it saves a lot of struggling as only the “M” has the front center jacking point

I did say I was going to do this some months ago but I have been doing other things so need to progress this to make sure it works all ok I did measure it and make it out on a bit of wood but stalled at that point.

 

[patriot66]

If you jack the car up high enough with the jack under a rear sill jacking point then you will be able get an axle stand under the front sill jacking point on the same side. I drive all 4 wheels up on to some pieces of 2 x 4 with a wedge cut on the ends beforehand just to give some extra height and clearance

 

[enuff_zed]

If you jack the car up high enough with the jack under a rear sill jacking point then you will be able get an axle stand under the front sill jacking point on the same side. I drive all 4 wheels up on to some pieces of 2 x 4 with a wedge cut on the ends beforehand just to give some extra height and clearance

See, I tried that to get both front wheels in the air. The first side worked well, but going to the second side I reached a point where the car was more or less completely airborne, pivoting on the front left axle stand and the rear right trolley jack. It did NOT feel or look particularly safe.
So I too, am interested in where I could place a supporting axle stand to hold the front end up, having jacked from the front jacking point. This must be possible? Surely?

 

[TheDan]

Rear is easy as you can jack from the rear strut brace/diff point and then put axle stands under the rear sill rubber points.

I too have had the issue when trying to get the front of the vehicle raised where it has been teetering (and actually fell off the front right axle stand). Never again.

What I do for the fronts now is use a high density rubber block and some carpet on top of my trolley jack at the control arm's inboard ball joint (that attaches to the subframe/cross member). The engine mount is right next to this ball joint so I highly doubt the subframe is at risk as you are putting the jacking point below what I would assume is a reasonably strengthened area.

 

[enuff_zed]

What I do for the fronts now is use a high density rubber block and some carpet on top of my trolley jack at the control arm's inboard ball joint (that attaches to the subframe/cross member). The engine mount is right next to this ball joint so I highly doubt the subframe is at risk as you are putting the jacking point below what I would assume is a reasonably strengthened area.

So, jack from there and axle stand under the jacking point?
Or could you do it the other way round?

 

[TheDan]

So, jack from there and axle stand under the jacking point?
Or could you do it the other way round?

Yeah, I jack from the control arm ball joint and then put the axle stands under the sill plastic jacking points. I like to have the car in the air with all 4 axle stands on these points. Feels nice and stable then.

To get a jack to the control arm ball joint can be a bit of a squeeze though.

 

[Rucky]

Try
(You may have to do rear first depending on height of your trolley jack)

Full Left Lock, lift on the roll bar Mount - Axle stand on the Rubber sill pad
Full right lock,lift on the roll bar Mount - Axle stand on the Rubber sill pad
Jack rear on the Diff plate and put axle stands on rear sills

 

[enuff_zed]

Try
(You may have to do rear first depending on height of your trolley jack)

Full Left Lock, lift on the roll bar Mount - Axle stand on the Rubber sill pad
Full right lock,lift on the roll bar Mount - Axle stand on the Rubber sill pad
Jack rear on the Diff plate and put axle stands on rear sills

Will give that a go. Thanks.

 

[Woodrow]

Here you go. And I made the axel stands PDJ refers to last year. I guess that’s where his drawing come from. You can see photos from a previous post but this method on YouTube is simple by far.
https://youtu.be/jp2DqnL3A1g
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[sjj84]

I bought a scissor lift. Absolutely brilliant, no more jacks or axle stands.

 

[patriot66]

If you jack the car up high enough with the jack under a rear sill jacking point then you will be able get an axle stand under the front sill jacking point on the same side. I drive all 4 wheels up on to some pieces of 2 x 4 with a wedge cut on the ends beforehand just to give some extra height and clearance

See, I tried that to get both front wheels in the air. The first side worked well, but going to the second side I reached a point where the car was more or less completely airborne, pivoting on the front left axle stand and the rear right trolley jack. It did NOT feel or look particularly safe.
So I too, am interested in where I could place a supporting axle stand to hold the front end up, having jacked from the front jacking point. This must be possible? Surely?

I agree. It's fine for just jacking one front wheel up(which was the OPs original question) but if I'm jacking the front up both sides then I put a block of wood under the front lower control arm then slide my trolley jack under the block of wood and raise the car as high as necessary to get an axle stand under the front sill jacking point. Repeat for t'other side

 

[patriot66]

So, jack from there and axle stand under the jacking point?
Or could you do it the other way round?

Yeah, I jack from the control arm ball joint and then put the axle stands under the sill plastic jacking points. I like to have the car in the air with all 4 axle stands on these points. Feels nice and stable then.

To get a jack to the control arm ball joint can be a bit of a squeeze though.

It's less of a squeeze if you drive all for wheels up on to some pieces of 2" x 4" first. I have 4 pieces approx 2 feet long with a wedge cut on one end of each piece

 

[rdgreen]

Have a look at this one.....works well.

https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=124293