is an M version ever going to come out?
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Just get a 35is .... and if you need a LSD, you can always get one fitted by Birds
I was at BMW today and their opinion was even if there was a Z4 replacement (joint collaboration with Toyota) it would not come close to the 35is in terms of power and torque etc
there is even talk of a front wheel drive and hybrid ??
a couple of high ranking UK management officials have noted that the 35is could be the last high powered Z4 they would produce .. and absolutely no talk of a M what so ever (I will dig out the link and post) also there is even rumors that the 35is could be removed next year from their current line up.
regards
Just get a 35is .... and if you need a LSD, you can always get one fitted by Birds
I was at BMW today and their opinion was even if there was a Z4 replacement (joint collaboration with Toyota) it would not come close to the 35is in terms of power and torque etc
there is even talk of a front wheel drive and hybrid ??
a couple of high ranking UK management officials have noted that the 35is could be the last high powered Z4 they would produce .. and absolutely no talk of a M what so ever (I will dig out the link and post) also there is even rumors that the 35is could be removed next year from their current line up.
regards
I think the price dealers appear to be able to shift the 35iS is telling. By that I mean £33-34k. It's just not worth what BMW were asking. A £45k Z4 needed to have 400hp and an M badge. It's not really competing with other M's.
People buy M3/4/5/6 because they need some practicality along with their performance.
Everyone knows the 35iS isn't the best Z4 BMW could SENSIBLY make. Nice car, but a half-hearted effort.
People buy M3/4/5/6 because they need some practicality along with their performance.
Everyone knows the 35iS isn't the best Z4 BMW could SENSIBLY make. Nice car, but a half-hearted effort.
The big problem is that bmw is loosing big in this market segment.
Where porsche is expanding its rival the boxster/cayman performancewise with for example the new gt4, for which they get a lot of money, bmw is constantly limiting it's range.
Where the boxster used to be compared to the z4 and honda s2000, nowadays it's mostly compared to the 911....
Where porsche is expanding its rival the boxster/cayman performancewise with for example the new gt4, for which they get a lot of money, bmw is constantly limiting it's range.
Where the boxster used to be compared to the z4 and honda s2000, nowadays it's mostly compared to the 911....
Having owned 2 e86 mcoupes & 2 e89 35is have never quite understood the 'hate' for 35is , I agree the e86 was a better 9 tenths car if / when you drive it like that but the e89 is quicker and a much nicer place to be. With regard to the cost I think in part thats why there is no 'M' because that would have been the other side of 50k before options which would have made target market even smaller. I only have a few weeks left with mine and I sort of miss it already.
Like the other day .. found myself for some reason looking at the new Mazda MX5 that is about to be launched
and I was thinking what a great looking car for £25k with only 160 bhp .. but has all the fun of a open top sports car with the handling characteristics to go with it.
Also the new mini roadster concept is going to be made .. then we have the possibility of a Z2 and the Z9 ?
and I was thinking what a great looking car for £25k with only 160 bhp .. but has all the fun of a open top sports car with the handling characteristics to go with it.
Also the new mini roadster concept is going to be made .. then we have the possibility of a Z2 and the Z9 ?
Z4M-2006 said:original guvnor said:
Mine is 400bhp...
Cost me £200
Shows how easy it would've been! Inexplicable really. The only sports car BMW make and they don't endow it with an M model.
I think the only people who can really slate either car whether its E85/86 or E89 is someone who has actually owned both or all 3.Jasey said:TomK said:
"the 89 has killed the z4 off"
"Yep proving the E85/6 was/is the one to have"
"All they have to do is turn up the engine map and add badges and that sells product. Where as previously an ///M made the car more fun"
"and stick a proper M badge on it"
" most people wanting a proper sports car would want one which has an LSD, does not use run flat tyres, and does not weigh a stupid amount"
In my eyes all 3 cars are great looking cars, the performance of any of them is really only about bragging rights in the pub as you cant (legally) use the power on the road.
The only reason we have an E89 is because of the hard top.
It's possible they didn't want to image of the Z4 to shift too far from what their main buyers are comfortable with.
The majority of other E89s I see on the road are small engine models with middle-aged women driving them. A brash and loud M model may change the way their bread and butter customers perceive the Z4.
The SLK has seen huge success with middle aged women thanks to it's low priced 4cyl models and comfortable boat like ride. The few SLK AMG models I see have a completely different customer base.
The majority of other E89s I see on the road are small engine models with middle-aged women driving them. A brash and loud M model may change the way their bread and butter customers perceive the Z4.
The SLK has seen huge success with middle aged women thanks to it's low priced 4cyl models and comfortable boat like ride. The few SLK AMG models I see have a completely different customer base.
Not exactly using full power when all you can do is accelerate rapidly up to 60/70mph legally.GuidoK said:
Even then if you are seen flooring it up to the speed limit the cops would still dig you and try and pin reckless on you.
I have a bike that would wipe the floor with any Z on here but again there are very few places where you can use that power unless you take it on track.
You think?Nictrix said:
Then you're not flooring it enough :lol:
IT's nonsense to say that the engine doesn't put out all the power when accelerating full, even if it is up to 70 or so.
Full throttle is full throttle
Go and drive some mountain passes in the alps...
Going uphill you can always use more power. (that said you can always use the power if there's no snail in front of you)
Oh and all the handling, if not some bloke on a bike is holding you up in the corners
Your not getting what I am saying.GuidoK said:You think?Nictrix said:
Then you're not flooring it enough :lol:
IT's nonsense to say that the engine doesn't put out all the power when accelerating full, even if it is up to 70 or so.
Full throttle is full throttle
Go and drive some mountain passes in the alps...
Going uphill you can always use more power. (that said you can always use the power if there's no snail in front of you)
Oh and all the handling, if not some bloke on a bike is holding you up in the corners
You cannot use full power right up the rev range in all gears to get a complete buzz.
You may be able to do it now and again in short bursts but you are just increasing your chances of being done by the cops.
Bikes can do over 100mph in 1st gear (not tried it with mine as I dont want to kill the engine). Not going to keep your licence long doing it often though.
Not in all the gears, but you won't be able to do that on a track. There are not much tracks where you top 155mph or more....
I don't see the relevance. Also on a track there is usually only 1 long straight and the rest is corners and chicanes. As if you don't need power there.
There are enough moments when you can hit the revlimiter when driving a mountain pass or twisty road when you drive spiritly.
And then you use full power. simple as that. That you cant do that in all the 6 or 8 gears speedwise is completely irrelevant.
I don't share your fear of the cops..... If nobody is around, accelerating as fast as you can isn't illegal last time I checked. Maybe it's different in the uk than on the mainland...
I don't see the relevance. Also on a track there is usually only 1 long straight and the rest is corners and chicanes. As if you don't need power there.
There are enough moments when you can hit the revlimiter when driving a mountain pass or twisty road when you drive spiritly.
And then you use full power. simple as that. That you cant do that in all the 6 or 8 gears speedwise is completely irrelevant.
I don't share your fear of the cops..... If nobody is around, accelerating as fast as you can isn't illegal last time I checked. Maybe it's different in the uk than on the mainland...
Not a fear of cops but definately a fear of losing my licence and job.GuidoK said:
For offenses on the road you are treated worse than hardened criminals.
Its a money spinner and its easy to get money out of motorists than someone with no job.
I have heard stories from friends who have been stopped by the police for speeding and argued with them. They said any more and we will do you for reckless or dangerous.
Not saying I dont speed ever but these days you have to have eyes like a hawk.
I agree with Guido,
I use 100% of the engine output fairly regularly. I often feel that 400bhp is not enough. My next car will have to be 500 or above to keep things interesting which pretty much limits the choices to tuned turbo AMG mercs
If you live in the South East of the UK then I can see why any more than 90bhp is unusable. But in the west it's a completely different scenario.
I use 100% of the engine output fairly regularly. I often feel that 400bhp is not enough. My next car will have to be 500 or above to keep things interesting which pretty much limits the choices to tuned turbo AMG mercs
If you live in the South East of the UK then I can see why any more than 90bhp is unusable. But in the west it's a completely different scenario.