Institute of Advanced Motorists ?

Number5

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 Bristol M4/M5
I've been driving 30 years plus now and would like to think I'm a reasonably safe, capable and experienced driver but have never done any courses other than passing my test back in 1857.

We had a few days away with the boys in North Wales last week, which saw some fairly 'spirited' driving and its got me thinking that I should maybe do something to:
a) give me that extra wisdom in such situations
b) Possibly appear better in the eyes of Plod and the beak , should I ever get pulled for doing 44 in a 40.
c) Maybe discount my insurance slightly

Therefore I am considering using my summer evenings to take the Advanced Test with the IAM, which seems to come in at £149 for three class room sessions and a fair number of practical hours, plus the test.

Has anyone got any feedback, experience or suggestions on going down this route that they would care to share ?

Cheers
No5
 
I did an advanced driving course with Chris Gilbert, he's an ex police driving instructor who's taught many royals! It was really enjoyable and teaches you how to be smooth and progressive (and safe).
I'm tempted to do IAM as well, far more suited to road driving than track days!

As for the insurance discount I'm not sure if it's more than the yearly membership.
 
I've looked at this, but determined that the IAM course is far more generic in terms of car type and focuses specifically on safer driving. I ended up choosing a course that focuses more on performance cars and fast road driving as this is more in line with my car/usage.

I'm doing it this coming Thursday so I'll let you know how I get on. The company who offer it have instructors all over the UK apparently.
 
Worcester_spoon said:
I've looked at this, but determined that the IAM course is far more generic in terms of car type and focuses specifically on safer driving. I ended up choosing a course that focuses more on performance cars and fast road driving as this is more in line with my car/usage.

I'm doing it this coming Thursday so I'll let you know how I get on. The company who offer it have instructors all over the UK apparently.

Sounds interesting - Keep us posted :thumbsup:

What are the course details ? ( Cost, duration, location, etc)
 
Just read up on Roadcraft before you do it, essential what the course will be based on, ie. Safer driving. Progressive driving yes to an extant, but it will all be within speed limits of course so probably won't be that useful in that respect.

I honestly believe getting 'fast road' driving experience/training is almost a waste of time in this country now, certainly in the southern half of the country where I am anyway.
Too many national speed limits reduced to 50 etc. Speed cameras everywhere, mobile and static, ready to catch you out. Unmarked cars. More hazards (other drivers). If your going that fast on the roads that you need 'training', then your in license losing/big fine territory, just ain't worth it IMO. Maybe the northern half of the country is different though.

The best kinda training and place to enjoy these cars without worry is the track.
That's based on my opinion having done (and more), in essence the IAM course and track training.
 
Go on to Pistonheads forum, there is an Advanced Motoring section with lots of interesting stuff to read. You will get a lot of info on the various courses available. Some of the guys that post regularly are police trained and/or instructors. One of them is called "Reg Local", I like his take & he posts up some good videos. The IAM route seems to be very prescriptive - you have to do everything their way or you are doing it wrong but I think you can just go on an assessment drive with one of their trainers to see what you think & get feedback on your driving.
 
I've done the IAMS course and felt it well worth the cost and effort. It certainly made me a safer and much more relaxed driver and taught me a great deal that was relevant to the hoons we run and those we go on. It may help to put my reasons into context though as you may be looking for something different to what I wanted at the time (6 years ago).

I recognised that I'd got into bad habits and found myself in situations where I wasn't being as thorough as I needed to be. As I was a surviving motorcyclist of many years I thought I had good road craft and defensive road reading ability but I was getting older (early 50s) and felt there was room for improvement and a check on my driving style needed so getting training appealed to me and it seemed like the right time.
It also needs to be said that I had an impressive guy take me through the course and I was willing to learn. I guess who you get paired with might make a difference and certainly (as with anything else) you've got to be open and prepared to take on board others comments and areas for improvement - in fact be prepared to accept there might be things that would be helpful to you and things you can learn.
I also thought the one-off payment was reasonable seeing as how you got as many sessions on the road as was felt useful before taking the 'test' drive.

It helped me familiarise myself with all signage and the highway code (hadn't visited this in years and it's amazing how much 'new' stuff there is). It raised my awareness, road reading and more particularly, thinking, far far ahead (which I honestly thought I already did) to a level and magnitude that impressed me. The guy I had was almost mystical in the way he could predict what about to or likely to happen on the road . . . and being honest I thought that was one of my best abilities - he was at another level! Brilliant doesn't cover it (and remember, like a lot of people - I thought I was good. . .)

Road positioning was another very useful area of improvement - as a motorcyclist I thought I had this covered but yet again I know for certain that at least two potential RTAs have been avoided through the application of what I learnt.

Some of the car control taught felt alien and at odds with what I'd thought to be best - but after applying it and using it for a time, it started to make sense and to be honest made me a far more effective driver.

The result was an increase in confidence (that the old habits had been addressed and new methods learnt) a massive increase in relaxation (ironically this was through increased concentration and thought, about what I was doing, rather than driving automatically) and a refocus on driving as a skill and pastime that makes me far more aware of what I'm doing on the road (and how I'm interacting with others) and maybe that's what I needed at the time. Much of what I did before was automatic and instinctive whereas now it's a more considered and a deliberate act.

As I said I had a 'special' guy and he listened to what my concerns were and what I was hoping to learn. We had 2 lots of 4 sessions of about an hour and a half each (first session was 2 hours as he said you could disguise how you 'normally' drive for about an hour and a bit but after that, he'd see what I was really like). He also drove a Scooby (he was nearly 70!) and understood what I wanted to do with my sports car on the road.
I agree with the comments above about the restrictions on driving these days but I've just got back from an intensive few days of group driving of the NC 500 which called for all these skills which in many cases could be applied within licence friendly speeds and certainly more safely as traffic density was so reduced.

I'd say any further training would be a help as it makes you think about what you're doing and this helps concentrate you on the task at hand rather than just instinctively driving. To be safe on the road, I'd say the IAMS course has a great deal to offer. It will help you maximise your safety which will aid you in making the most of the opportunities on the road. At the very least you'll gain skills that might help you keep your licence more points free (there are advantages to keeping to the speed limits apart from safety) and it will make you reassess your driving. At best, you will be able to apply what you've leant to making your hooning safer, more relaxed and in my experience, more effective. Always lots more to learn though I'm certain of that . . .
Good luck with whatever you decide - let us know how you get on. :thumbsup: :driving:
 
Thanks Paul, Very insightful.

The local April Course is fully booked and the next one is July, so I've a little time to research things first
 
paulgs1000 said:
I've done the IAMS course and felt it well worth the cost and effort. It certainly made me a safer and much more relaxed driver and taught me a great deal that was relevant to the hoons we run and those we go on. It may help to put my reasons into context though as you may be looking for something different to what I wanted at the time (6 years ago).

I recognised that I'd got into bad habits and found myself in situations where I wasn't being as thorough as I needed to be. As I was a surviving motorcyclist of many years I thought I had good road craft and defensive road reading ability but I was getting older (early 50s) and felt there was room for improvement and a check on my driving style needed so getting training appealed to me and it seemed like the right time.
It also needs to be said that I had an impressive guy take me through the course and I was willing to learn. I guess who you get paired with might make a difference and certainly (as with anything else) you've got to be open and prepared to take on board others comments and areas for improvement - in fact be prepared to accept there might be things that would be helpful to you and things you can learn.
I also thought the one-off payment was reasonable seeing as how you got as many sessions on the road as was felt useful before taking the 'test' drive.

It helped me familiarise myself with all signage and the highway code (hadn't visited this in years and it's amazing how much 'new' stuff there is). It raised my awareness, road reading and more particularly, thinking, far far ahead (which I honestly thought I already did) to a level and magnitude that impressed me. The guy I had was almost mystical in the way he could predict what about to or likely to happen on the road . . . and being honest I thought that was one of my best abilities - he was at another level! Brilliant doesn't cover it (and remember, like a lot of people - I thought I was good. . .)

Road positioning was another very useful area of improvement - as a motorcyclist I thought I had this covered but yet again I know for certain that at least two potential RTAs have been avoided through the application of what I learnt.

Some of the car control taught felt alien and at odds with what I'd thought to be best - but after applying it and using it for a time, it started to make sense and to be honest made me a far more effective driver.

The result was an increase in confidence (that the old habits had been addressed and new methods learnt) a massive increase in relaxation (ironically this was through increased concentration and thought, about what I was doing, rather than driving automatically) and a refocus on driving as a skill and pastime that makes me far more aware of what I'm doing on the road (and how I'm interacting with others) and maybe that's what I needed at the time. Much of what I did before was automatic and instinctive whereas now it's a more considered and a deliberate act.

As I said I had a 'special' guy and he listened to what my concerns were and what I was hoping to learn. We had 2 lots of 4 sessions of about an hour and a half each (first session was 2 hours as he said you could disguise how you 'normally' drive for about an hour and a bit but after that, he'd see what I was really like). He also drove a Scooby (he was nearly 70!) and understood what I wanted to do with my sports car on the road.
I agree with the comments above about the restrictions on driving these days but I've just got back from an intensive few days of group driving of the NC 500 which called for all these skills which in many cases could be applied within licence friendly speeds and certainly more safely as traffic density was so reduced.

I'd say any further training would be a help as it makes you think about what you're doing and this helps concentrate you on the task at hand rather than just instinctively driving. To be safe on the road, I'd say the IAMS course has a great deal to offer. It will help you maximise your safety which will aid you in making the most of the opportunities on the road. At the very least you'll gain skills that might help you keep your licence more points free (there are advantages to keeping to the speed limits apart from safety) and it will make you reassess your driving. At best, you will be able to apply what you've leant to making your hooning safer, more relaxed and in my experience, more effective. Always lots more to learn though I'm certain of that . . .
Good luck with whatever you decide - let us know how you get on. :thumbsup: :driving:

Very well put :)
Just to clarify my post, in no way do I not think it's worth it. For the safety aspect alone and far more likely to keep you out of trouble it's very much worth it. It makes you realise how many people are in essence poor drivers to be honest, who react to what's in front of them, rather than predicting what might happen and driving to that standard. If you follow the system, you'll never have an accident that's your fault and you'll be able to keep yourself out of situations that other people's bad driving can put you in.
Learning how to overtake properly and limit points will make you a more 'progressive' driver.
It's amusing hanging on the other side of the road looking for the view and landing zone when overtaking and everyone around you thinking what the hell your doing!
If you do it, then enjoy it and the new skills it'll teach you, will without doubt make you a better driver :)
 
I did the IAM course back when I was 19 (1994), it has changed a little since then, but not much.

I took it a little further a few years ago and took the high performance course and really haven't looked back :D, not 'cheap' though, but well worth it.

Also take a look here Advanced Driving Hub for a bunch of people (including me) who get together for driving days for free, there's one next weekend in Devon for instance, and one upcoming in June around Brecon.

I know a couple of the guys from the Bristol Group of the IAM (via ADHub), all of whom are excellent - Bristol is a good group to get involved with.
 
I know of an "observer" with the IAM who is quite honestly scary to be driven by but holds himself and the organisation in very high esteem.

I would hate to think that he was assessing or passing any judgement on my abilities behind the wheel.
 
The IAM course is very worth while....
I did it in my teens,at 17,after passing my test,and again in my late twenties,and did the course under RoSPA and Iam tutors that allowed me to be an Iam tutor,which is totally voluntary,which I did for a wee while,then met my (now) wife,and had better things to do with my spare time,lol.

It does indeed improve road positioning,road manners,skill in reading the road,eg. Looking at the stuff that lines the roads,especially good on country roads,where u can follow the lines of trees,hedges etc to "see ahead", as to what way the road goes,bends and so forth.
The commentary that's mandatory used to drive my wife,then gf,nuts,as I had to constantly practice it,lol !! :rofl:

Certainly worth it,IMO :D
 
How do IAM drivers deal with their mistakes when they make them?
Ps.
I mean this as a serious question and don't want / intend to offend!
 
ronk said:
How do IAM drivers deal with their mistakes when they make them?
Ps.
I mean this as a serious question and don't want / intend to offend!

Have a look around and hope no one saw it?
 
ronk said:
How do IAM drivers deal with their mistakes when they make them?
Ps.
I mean this as a serious question and don't want / intend to offend!
Personally, I try to work out why it happened so I can learn from it and hopefully avoid in the future.

That process is helped if you are driving with like minded people who have also seen...
 
Thanks All for the feedback. - Keep it coming

I think I'm going to sign up for the July course in Bristol as a starting point.
 
Alan if you have never done one, then I would recommend a skid pan course. All the road instruction in the world won't prepare your for suddenly going sideways due to lack of grip. Though it should help you avoid being there in the first place. :wink:
 
buzyg said:
Alan if you have never done one, then I would recommend a skid pan course. All the road instruction in the world won't prepare your for suddenly going sideways due to lack of grip. Though it should help you avoid being there in the first place. :wink:

Ditto,very good thing to do,as is some track day tuition,gives u some good tips on fast driving,safely.
Good to do at least once, skidpan training saved me from having a bad accident on icy road,just 6months after doing course :driving:
(When I wass just 19,lol)
 
ronk said:
How do IAM drivers deal with their mistakes when they make them?
Ps.
I mean this as a serious question and don't want / intend to offend!

Generally the course made me aware far more of where I was likely to pick up 'mistakes' and then try to avoid getting into a situation where it might occur. Still does occur though so it's a continuous learning and practicing process.

A simple example of where this thinking is applied is the use of indicators. I was encouraged not to use indicators if they were not needed. At first I found this very difficult to accept - this went against my inner feelings that another car might come around a corner or how did you know what might occur ahead - it just felt 'wrong' to me and at first a little odd. Then you realise that thinking about the use OR NOT of an indicator makes you consider all aspects of the road conditions and other road users - a much more thoughtful process than simply using an indicator when undertaking a manoeuvre.

I guess when I make a mistake I think it through in the same way and try to apply the same type of approach to work out what I missed or why things went 'wrong'. I'd also say that I'm more able to accept I've made a mistake when I do make a mistake.

I'm lucky in knowing some excellent drivers (e.g. one is a senior test examiner) and enjoy talking methods and approaches with them, seeking their advice - I've learned an awful lot this way. I've also loved reading driving texts and articles and then trying their methods and approaches on the road - I've found this really enjoyable on motorcyles and in cars. As I've said before - there's always lots more to learn and I believe driving is a pastime and skill which can be improved in many different ways.
 
Well said,Paul......I agree,it's strange at first, not "automatically" indicating when taking a turning,etc,but you then realise there's no point in indicating if you clearly have no traffic around/behind/ahead of u that would benefit from you indicating.
The commentary was always something that took a bit of getting used to at first also, but worthwhile :driving:
 
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