Inspection 2 cost

I had one done in April 2020 by Ross at RBM Hampshire for just under £600, but that didn't include the Castrol 10W/60 oil because I supplied that!
 
Mr Tidy said:
I had one done in April 2020 by Ross at RBM Hampshire for just under £600, but that didn't include the Castrol 10W/60 oil because I supplied that!

How much is his labour rate now?
 
Beemingallover said:
taz1966 said:
Check out Redish Motersport's web site.
They have some pricing on their regarding this.
Thanks. I had reckoned on about 900.

Bear in mind one of the reasons they are cheaper than BMW is they do not replace the rocker or spark plug gaskets as per the inspection schedule. Some say they are reusable, personally I replace mine as bmw suggest.
https://www.redish-motorsport.com/BMWE85E86Z4MInspection2ServicePrice.html
Make a bit of a mockery of themselves when they write "This means as a company Redish Motorsport strictly follow and always adhere to BMW service schedules and repair instructions"

Strangely when they first started in business they did do these items.
https://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/threads/jonnys-jjhalls-e46-m3-inspection-2-service-inc-valve-clearances-25-pics.65094/page-2
 
TomK said:
Beemingallover said:
taz1966 said:
Check out Redish Motersport's web site.
They have some pricing on their regarding this.
Thanks. I had reckoned on about 900.

Bear in mind one of the reasons they are cheaper than BMW is they do not replace the rocker or spark plug gaskets as per the inspection schedule. Some say they are reusable, personally I replace mine as bmw suggest.
https://www.redish-motorsport.com/BMWE85E86Z4MInspection2ServicePrice.html
Make a bit of a mockery of themselves when they write "This means as a company Redish Motorsport strictly follow and always adhere to BMW service schedules and repair instructions"

Strangely when they first started in business they did do these items.
https://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/threads/jonnys-jjhalls-e46-m3-inspection-2-service-inc-valve-clearances-25-pics.65094/page-2

The cam cover and spark plug hole gaskets are made of Viton rubber so last a lot longer than traditional BUNA rubber material so why not replace on condition? It is a valid maintenance optimisation and saves the owner an unnecessary expense IMO. BMW wrote the repair/service instructions with the service centre mechanic in mind and in my experience a lot of them are not the sharpest tools in the box (excuse the pun), manufacturers will always be risk adverse in their service info and prevent the guy with the spanner from making judgement calls.
 
GT Spec said:
The cam cover and spark plug hole gaskets are made of Viton rubber so last a lot longer than traditional BUNA rubber material so why not replace on condition? It is a valid maintenance optimisation and saves the owner an unnecessary expense IMO. BMW wrote the repair/service instructions with the service centre mechanic in mind and in my experience a lot of them are not the sharpest tools in the box (excuse the pun), manufacturers will always be risk adverse in their service info and prevent the guy with the spanner from making judgement calls.
The problem with a specialist doing it to their own standard, is that you can't ensure that it's the same standard every other specialist uses - so one mechanic saying your spark plugs are fine, or your valve clearances sound fine and so not replacing them means that you could end up with a 200k mile car that's never had the valve clearances or spark plugs replaced because they looked/sounded fine. Even if the gaskets last longer than normal, how long it too long?

Now, if there's a price list where you can pick & choose what you want, and only pay for that, then you make your own choice. But some specialists have been known to charge the same amount whether they did the full work or not.

But call it a service/major service, with a checklist of items replaced/not replaced....it should not be recorded as a FULL INSPECTION 2 - as it's not, and will simply cloud the honesty of someone's claimed full service history.

When looking to buy a car, do you go through each and every oil service, inspection 1, and inspection 2 invoice to ensure they've used the correct oil, replaced all spark plugs (and not just the 1 that looked iffy), and replaced all the gaskets they're supposed to?

BTW, I'm not trying to moan at anyone on here, or any specific specialist, but I've had over 30 years of being pissed about with changing costs (e.g. get quoted one price for an inspection, double-check that they're quoting for an M5/Z4MC, agree it & book it in, take day off from work, go to drop it off and the price had doubled - do I want to go ahead or not :headbang: ) and urgent unneeded work/parts (rear tyres need replacing - no, they've got 6mm across the tread; the EDC dampers need replacing in pairs - oh it's under warranty, then only 1 is needed) from both dealers and specialists, that I now assume everything they're telling me is a lie unless they can prove otherwise.
 
GT Spec said:
TomK said:
Beemingallover said:
Thanks. I had reckoned on about 900.

Bear in mind one of the reasons they are cheaper than BMW is they do not replace the rocker or spark plug gaskets as per the inspection schedule. Some say they are reusable, personally I replace mine as bmw suggest.
https://www.redish-motorsport.com/BMWE85E86Z4MInspection2ServicePrice.html
Make a bit of a mockery of themselves when they write "This means as a company Redish Motorsport strictly follow and always adhere to BMW service schedules and repair instructions"

Strangely when they first started in business they did do these items.
https://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/threads/jonnys-jjhalls-e46-m3-inspection-2-service-inc-valve-clearances-25-pics.65094/page-2

The cam cover and spark plug hole gaskets are made of Viton rubber so last a lot longer than traditional BUNA rubber material so why not replace on condition? It is a valid maintenance optimisation and saves the owner an unnecessary expense IMO. BMW wrote the repair/service instructions with the service centre mechanic in mind and in my experience a lot of them are not the sharpest tools in the box (excuse the pun), manufacturers will always be risk adverse in their service info and prevent the guy with the spanner from making judgement calls.
Whether you or I think it is acceptable practice or not is a moot point imo. They say in that page that they are doing everything according to bmw service schedule when they clearly are not. To compare the price with a BMW inspection service is therefore not comparing apples with apples was my point.
 
flimper said:
Mr Tidy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:55 pm
I had one done in April 2020 by Ross at RBM Hampshire for just under £600, but that didn't include the Castrol 10W/60 oil because I supplied that!
How much is his labour rate now?

Sorry Mark I don't know!

The invoice shows inclusive prices for each thing, so £466.67 for the Inspection 2, £12.50 for 5 shims, £40 for brake fluid change, £40 for coolant change and £27.25 for a replacement Vanos filter - plus a few other non-service items that needed doing.
 
Mr Tidy said:
flimper said:
Mr Tidy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:55 pm
I had one done in April 2020 by Ross at RBM Hampshire for just under £600, but that didn't include the Castrol 10W/60 oil because I supplied that!
How much is his labour rate now?

Sorry Mark I don't know!

The invoice shows inclusive prices for each thing, so £466.67 for the Inspection 2, £12.50 for 5 shims, £40 for brake fluid change, £40 for coolant change and £27.25 for a replacement Vanos filter - plus a few other non-service items that needed doing.

£466 for Inspection 2, that is cheap!
 
flimper said:
Sorry Mark I don't know!

The invoice shows inclusive prices for each thing, so £466.67 for the Inspection 2, £12.50 for 5 shims, £40 for brake fluid change, £40 for coolant change and £27.25 for a replacement Vanos filter - plus a few other non-service items that needed doing.
£466 for Inspection 2, that is cheap!

True, but it was nearly 4 years ago and by the time you add in the brake fluid and coolant it was virtually £600 - probably nearer £700 if I hadn't supplied the oil.
 
Mr Tidy said:
flimper said:
Sorry Mark I don't know!

The invoice shows inclusive prices for each thing, so £466.67 for the Inspection 2, £12.50 for 5 shims, £40 for brake fluid change, £40 for coolant change and £27.25 for a replacement Vanos filter - plus a few other non-service items that needed doing.
£466 for Inspection 2, that is cheap!

True, but it was nearly 4 years ago and by the time you add in the brake fluid and coolant it was virtually £600 - probably nearer £700 if I hadn't supplied the oil.
But I don’t believe brake fluid or coolant are part of the Insp.II anyway (unless it coincides with the SI display).

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…and FYI, not a single BMW dealer has ever mentioned that my mobility kit is out of date, as I buy spares and leave the old one in there to see if they are actually doing all the supposed ‘inspection’ parts of the job (no, the dealers are not), so I don’t trust them to do brakes/coolant and get them done more frequently myself.
 
mmm-five said:
But I don’t believe brake fluid or coolant are part of the Insp.II anyway (unless it coincides with the SI display).

It certainly doesn't look like it! :thumbsup:

But I only got the car 4 months previously and for a few years it only had oil services as it did hardly any miles. I wanted to have a good starting point.
 
Mr Tidy said:
mmm-five said:
But I don’t believe brake fluid or coolant are part of the Insp.II anyway (unless it coincides with the SI display).

It certainly doesn't look like it! :thumbsup:

But I only got the car 4 months previously and for a few years it only had oil services as it did hardly any miles. I wanted to have a good starting point.
It's still a damn good price though...when you consider BMW were asking almost £1400 the last time I checked...and I wouldn't trust them to pull a stuck log out of my arse (or to actually do any of the work that was listed on the schedule)!
 
Mr Tidy said:
mmm-five said:
But I don’t believe brake fluid or coolant are part of the Insp.II anyway (unless it coincides with the SI display).

It certainly doesn't look like it! :thumbsup:

But I only got the car 4 months previously and for a few years it only had oil services as it did hardly any miles. I wanted to have a good starting point.
Just do 30,000 miles a year in it, and do Oil > Oil > I1 > Oil > Oil > I2 at 3 month intervals and you'll be into the realms of 'over servicing' :P

Mine was serviced slightly more frequently on the oils/brake fluid due to track days / ring trips - so I was never overly-interested in what the OBC/SI was telling me.
 
mmm-five said:
Mr Tidy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:33 pm
mmm-five wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:25 pm
But I don’t believe brake fluid or coolant are part of the Insp.II anyway (unless it coincides with the SI display).
It certainly doesn't look like it!

But I only got the car 4 months previously and for a few years it only had oil services as it did hardly any miles. I wanted to have a good starting point.
Just do 30,000 miles a year in it, and do Oil > Oil > I1 > Oil > Oil > I2 at 3 month intervals and you'll be into the realms of 'over servicing'

Mine was serviced slightly more frequently on the oils/brake fluid due to track days / ring trips - so I was never overly-interested in what the OBC/SI was telling me.

To be fair the OBC/SI on the M tells me b*gger all, just flashes up a mileage when I start it.

Unlike my E90 that tells me about dates as well for service, brakes, cabin filter, spark plugs, brake pads, brake fluid, MOT, etc. Maybe you've been driving those new models too much! :lol:

My MC had an Inspection 2 in July 13, an oil service and cabin filter in October 14, oil services in October 15 and June 18 which is why I wanted to get everything sorted before I started caning it around the NC500 and Lake District. :)
 
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