Indian Grand Prix
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Adamski said:Red Bull fined 25,000 Euros for Vettel's doughnuts :lol:
Bet that it was worth every Euro
Edit - http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/8994646/sebastian-vettel-reprimanded-by-indian-gp-stewards-for-title-celebrating-doughnuts
When Webber took a grid penalty for taking a ride back on Alonsos car.....
I'm not Vettel's biggest fan, but do feel a bit sorry for him sometimes. If he chucked a TV out of a hotel window every so often people would probably like him a lot more. He doesn't do much wrong, on or off the track - ok, he's got a slightly awkward manner about him that makes him seem like a smug git every so often (the raised finger is seriously irritating!), but that's hardly a reason to not like him.
Pretty incredible what he and Red Bull have achieved these past few years, even if they have made the sport a little dull. It's a shame that none of the other big teams have been able to produce a car that can take it to them consistently. Maybe Vettel should switch teams after five championships - then he's at least got a chance of taking Schumacher's record with some credibility.
I'm looking forward to see Webber at Le Mans next year.
Pretty incredible what he and Red Bull have achieved these past few years, even if they have made the sport a little dull. It's a shame that none of the other big teams have been able to produce a car that can take it to them consistently. Maybe Vettel should switch teams after five championships - then he's at least got a chance of taking Schumacher's record with some credibility.
I'm looking forward to see Webber at Le Mans next year.
I'm still enjoying watching F1, (for clarity I've not got sky). All the technical stuff is what interests me, with the build up, qualifying and downfield battles on the whole being more exciting that the race for 1st position most weeks. Read Gary Anderson's analysis of why the RB car is faster on the BBC website. IT hints at how RB get round problems that other teams think they're stuck with
India is a bit of a "you can overtake here, here and here, and that's it" track, and the corners are so wide that there's barely any need for wheel to wheel stuff.
Unless you're a Grumpy Finn who's been sacrificed down a tyre based cul-de-sac and about to be overtaken by the annoyingly chipper teammate of the team you're leaving.
India is a bit of a "you can overtake here, here and here, and that's it" track, and the corners are so wide that there's barely any need for wheel to wheel stuff.
Unless you're a Grumpy Finn who's been sacrificed down a tyre based cul-de-sac and about to be overtaken by the annoyingly chipper teammate of the team you're leaving.
When was the last time the best car didn't win the championship? 2008?
Vettel and RBR have a great combination... but for me the races themselves are quite well boring, Geniune un-aided overtaking is quite rare - The drivers are either juggling tyre problems or different KERS strategies - not to mention DRS. It's all just taken the excitement out of it.
andicole0 said:Talksthetorque said:
Harsh! I think Red Bull (Adrian Newey) have been much better at working within the rules, or not getting found out maybe
Andi.
It was actually a "Guesstimate" but that was the last time a Driver's champion did not drive for the constructor's champion. Ferrari had Raikkonen and Massa that year and won the constructor's, but a young lad from Stevenage pipped Massa at the post for the driver's. I'm not saying Vettel's not talented, in fact I believe he's the most complete driver ever. What I am saying is it takes an unusual set of circumstances for the winning constructor not to win the driver's gong.
Nanu said:
This is where Vettel is done an injustice. Put Lewis H, Fernando A or Kimi R in a Red Bull and it would take them half a season to learn how to drive it. LH was out driven by Niko Rosberg for half the season. Fernando Alonso was beaten fair and square by his team mate at India etc
Anyone who claims that another driver could beat Vettel in his own equipment is delusional.
Webber has tried and failed all season.....
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Adamski said:
delusional ? - I dont think using Mark Weber as your data point proves that.
I like Mark, and wish he could have won a few more races, but, he isnt Alonso, and maybe even not Hamilton or Button and defo not Kimi
IMO its between the designers and any of the above named could with time Give Vettel a better run for his money. Vettel is good, and tends not to make mistakes, and today had to earn his keep, He is in the best car and whoever is in the best car (and is the first driver) is probably gonna win ....
I've become incredibly bored with the whole thing and yet I'm a dyed in the wool F1 fan.
I still think the format should be changed.
2 races each of 30 laps, 1 obligatory stop to change tyres once.
15 minutes between races to refuel and adjust wings etc.
2nd race the grid is set as the reverse of the finishing order from the first in groups of 10 to keep it a bit safer.
Also increase the minimum weight a bit as I don't think as all this talk of muscle loss is worrying but other than that don't mess with the cars as F1 should be the very pinnacle of what's possible with technology.
I still think the format should be changed.
2 races each of 30 laps, 1 obligatory stop to change tyres once.
15 minutes between races to refuel and adjust wings etc.
2nd race the grid is set as the reverse of the finishing order from the first in groups of 10 to keep it a bit safer.
Also increase the minimum weight a bit as I don't think as all this talk of muscle loss is worrying but other than that don't mess with the cars as F1 should be the very pinnacle of what's possible with technology.
I think there is far too much emphasis on aerodynamics and not on who is the fastest driver.
I quite like the idea of removing the minimum weight and allowing full use of technology. And let multiple tire manufacturers play
Artificially limiting the development of the cars to "create" excitement dosen't work that well. We seem to being "entertained" by the definition of racing as defined by a very small group of people
There may be a point where the weakest link will be the driver, but I dont think we will get there for a long time yet
Artificially limiting the development of the cars to "create" excitement dosen't work that well. We seem to being "entertained" by the definition of racing as defined by a very small group of people
There may be a point where the weakest link will be the driver, but I dont think we will get there for a long time yet
GregZ4 said:
Like the BTCC format maybe? That's always entertaining.
original guvnor said:
I blame the FIA for that. Freezing engine development and other key component parts simply means all engineers have to focus on the bits without development restriction e.g. aero.
Bring back active suspension and ground effects, and then cars will be able to follow one another. They'll be able to overtake without DRS (so artificial it's absurd), and we'll have real racing again
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