In or Out Exit Poll

[Mr Tidy]

There's no option for didn't vote or don't intend to vote as both sides are a bunch of cunts.[/quote

I need to meet you! Are you as pointy in real life?

A spade is very much a spade.

That may be an acceptable statement in Spean Bridge - please, please come and say that in the South-East of the UK just once!

And please let me know when and where you plan to express that view so I can bring a camera! :lol:

Busy with GlenMorangie myself............

 

[AlfaScozzesi]

A spade is very much a spade.

That may be an acceptable statement in Spean Bridge - please, please come and say that in the South-East of the UK just once!

And please let me know when and where you plan to express that view so I can bring a camera! :lol:

Busy with GlenMorangie myself............

Think you are getting myself and Skelters mixed up but I am sure there are a lot of people down South as well who would agree that all politicians (both sides) are not to be trusted as Skelters has more bluntly put. ....

 

[TitanTim]

Frightening

http://nr.news-republic.com/Web/ArticleWeb.aspx?regionid=4&articleid=67328088&source=facebook

Sums it up really.

For me the EU was set up for one purpose, to provide lasting stability in Europe following the last War which lets not forget was started in Europe. The EU isn't perfect but we have enjoyed stability and a lasting peace. The worrying thing is now who is going to follow suit? Polls have suggested the German public have already said they want out too and their underground Fascism is still a strong element.......scary. The French public are also hinting they would vote out of the EU if the opportunity arose. To me all this is doing is fracturing Europe. The great British Public shouldn't take what they had for granted and toss it away with all this independence spin.

Tim.

 

[no fit state]

Frightening

http://nr.news-republic.com/Web/ArticleWeb.aspx?regionid=4&articleid=67328088&source=facebook

Sums it up really.

For me the EU was set up for one purpose, to provide lasting stability in Europe following the last War which lets not forget was started in Europe. The EU isn't perfect but we have enjoyed stability and a lasting peace. The worrying thing is now who is going to follow suit? Polls have suggested the German public have already said they want out too and their underground Fascism is still a strong element.......scary. The French public are also hinting they would vote out of the EU if the opportunity arose. To me all this is doing is fracturing Europe. The great British Public shouldn't take what they had for granted and toss it away with all this independence spin.

Tim.

Then you could argue that it is doing the exact opposite? The UK voting to leave, voices in other countries demanding their own referendum, fears of immigration from you neighbours, high unemployment and austerity in some member states. Is the EU still working to it's intended conception?

 

[TitanTim]

Frightening

http://nr.news-republic.com/Web/ArticleWeb.aspx?regionid=4&articleid=67328088&source=facebook

Sums it up really.

For me the EU was set up for one purpose, to provide lasting stability in Europe following the last War which lets not forget was started in Europe. The EU isn't perfect but we have enjoyed stability and a lasting peace. The worrying thing is now who is going to follow suit? Polls have suggested the German public have already said they want out too and their underground Fascism is still a strong element.......scary. The French public are also hinting they would vote out of the EU if the opportunity arose. To me all this is doing is fracturing Europe. The great British Public shouldn't take what they had for granted and toss it away with all this independence spin.

Tim.

Then you could argue that it is doing the exact opposite? The UK voting to leave, voices in other countries demanding their own referendum, fears of immigration from you neighbours, high unemployment and austerity in some member states. Is the EU still working to it's intended conception?

Done a reasonable job over the past 40 years and just needs a overhaul, the concept is still a good thing in my book . The immigration argument which has swayed many to vote out is a completely false argument.

Tim.

 

[pvr]

The concept might have been good, but who is the driver behind adding all the non-suitable countries as part of the EU?

 

[no fit state]

Frightening

http://nr.news-republic.com/Web/ArticleWeb.aspx?regionid=4&articleid=67328088&source=facebook

Sums it up really.

For me the EU was set up for one purpose, to provide lasting stability in Europe following the last War which lets not forget was started in Europe. The EU isn't perfect but we have enjoyed stability and a lasting peace. The worrying thing is now who is going to follow suit? Polls have suggested the German public have already said they want out too and their underground Fascism is still a strong element.......scary. The French public are also hinting they would vote out of the EU if the opportunity arose. To me all this is doing is fracturing Europe. The great British Public shouldn't take what they had for granted and toss it away with all this independence spin.

Tim.

Then you could argue that it is doing the exact opposite? The UK voting to leave, voices in other countries demanding their own referendum, fears of immigration from you neighbours, high unemployment and austerity in some member states. Is the EU still working to it's intended conception?

Done a reasonable job over the past 40 years and just needs a overhaul, the concept is still a good thing in my book . The immigration argument which has swayed many to vote out is a completely false argument.

Tim.

There's a saying, you're only as good as your last job. No doubt in the past it was doing a good job but many people feel that this hasn't been the case for a few years. I agree an overhaul could of made the difference, but Brussels neither wanted to or cared. On the point of immigration, saying it is a false argument is true, but to ignore people's fears as has been done has got us where we are today.

 

[no fit state]

Duplicate post

 

[techathy]

Twist the figures how you want.

Twisted? In every debate about demarcating voting I've been involved in, as a participant or observer, it's been agreed that a no votes & abstentions need to be counted against the majority of for or against. In this case 27.8% abstained requiring a near 70% for or against vote for a majority.

To my mind this was a hung vote, this issue should be tabled for say 2 years and a second referendum held on the same issue.

I can't remember the exact figures but over 4million voted UKIP and got 1 MP where less votes were cast for SNP who got 56 MPs.
Your point is ?

The democratic system in the UK is broken.

There was a referendum for PR which got defeated.

No we didn't we got a referendum for a minor change to first past the post.

 

[markeg]

The immigration argument which has swayed many to vote out is a completely false argument.

In some places, I would agree. However, in places like Boston (where 75%+ voted to Leave) immigration is a massive issue.

Link to Boston being the least integrated place in England
Link to Boston having the highest murder rate in England and Wales.
Link to Boston warnings prior to the vote on Brexit

Local Bostonians feel they are the forgotten town in England, an example of the failed no-limit immigration policies of the last 10 years - until around 2000, Boston was a typical Lincolnshire market town. Now, whilst the town is booming, housing prices rise much faster than wages, the local hospital is regularly at critical measures, and crime has soared. This was the local Bostonian's chance to make a protest vote against immigration from the Eastern EU nations; currently 13%+ of the town come from outside the UK. There were plenty of warning signs that immigration was becoming a hot topic - the rise of the UKIP vote last election was just one. I'm sure Boston isn't the only example of this level of frustration, but towns like Boston look at the current situation and think the EU is there for London and big business, and not them.

 

[original guvnor]

There was a referendum for PR which got defeated.

No we didn't we got a referendum for a minor change to first past the post.

No that's wrong. It was the Alternative Voting System, radically different to first past the post.

As you were....

 

[dans6490]

I've seen lots of comments on social media saying that the over 65's have ruined their grandchildrens futures. Some even suggesting that the over 65's should t have had a vote.

So the people who fought for the freedom for us to vote are being told by their grandchildren that they shouldn't have that freedom.

 

[pvr]

I was very surprised to see such a direct correlation between age and voting behaviour.

 

[MrPT]

I was very surprised to see such a direct correlation between age and voting behaviour.

Me too. Very surprised at the result in general, in fact. Like you I was expecting the bookies to be right with their prediction of a comfortable majority for Remain.

It's been really interesting reading everybody's posts (even the shouty ones). This is clearly not a one dimensional issue and it is much harder to identify with any one set of opinions than it has been for recent political milestones (Scottish independence vote, general election, London mayoral election etc). I honestly never thought I'd vote any differently from my parents, for example, but I believe both of them voted to leave, with my dad and I basically having the same views, but him falling on one side of the fence and me, the other. For him, it seems to be the additional years of putting up with the EU not really being seen to work well enough to justify its expense and the fairly distasteful behaviour of some of its leaders, that has made the difference. For me, the benefits of economic union and a more inclusive culture are worth the rather ugly implications of political union, and I wish that these things had been better communicated by the Remain campaign to those who have only ever seen the downsides.

Also interesting that this poll shows a forum preference for "leave". Wouldn't say that The Great Unwashed are particularly well represented here, so again, that's food for thought. I have a feeling that it's the older gents that have swung this - no disrespect, lads! - but again, while it's amusing to think that those with less years left on this planet are deciding the future of the younger voter, it's a silly reason to dismiss their viewpoint and the wisdom that comes with age.

So I'm pretty gutted at the result, but it's one worth paying attention to and treating as respectfully as possible. I'd still vote Remain - if anything, I feel stronger about this now than when I voted - but it has made me think a lot about how, as a 30-something, living in London and marrying into a Scottish family, I need to work harder to form my own political opinions and not just go with the flow.

 

[Flyingfifer]

A lot of ignorance around Scotland and its financial situation here.

I am glad Scotland can afford free healthcare and free universities whilst no other country can afford that. Long may it continue after an independence ...

That's because we use our resources to fund such things, unlike the Westminster Gov which would rather spend £150+Billion on the vanity project, trident renewal. England could have had these things but your government doesnt want them.

Dont worry MrPT, you are welcome in Scotland regardless of what your passport says

 

[pvr]

A lot of ignorance around Scotland and its financial situation here.

I am glad Scotland can afford free healthcare and free universities whilst no other country can afford that. Long may it continue after an independence ...

That's because we use our resources to fund such things, unlike the Westminster Gov which would rather spend £150+Billion on the vanity project, trident renewal. England could have had these things but your government doesnt want them.

Dont worry MrPT, you are welcome in Scotland regardless of what your passport says

Or you could say that £150 billion is spent on the safety of the UK as a whole, including Scotland and Scotland is using the southern handouts to fund their health service :wink:

Tongue in cheek comment before someone chokes on their whiskey

 

[Jasey]

A lot of ignorance around Scotland and its financial situation here.

I am glad Scotland can afford free healthcare and free universities whilst no other country can afford that. Long may it continue after an independence ...

That's because we use our resources to fund such things, unlike the Westminster Gov which would rather spend £150+Billion on the vanity project, trident renewal. England could have had these things but your government doesnt want them.

Dont worry MrPT, you are welcome in Scotland regardless of what your passport says

Or you could say that £150 billion is spent on the safety of the UK as a whole, including Scotland and Scotland is using the southern handouts to fund their health service :wink:

Tongue in cheek comment before someone chokes on their whiskey

You're more likely to get abuse for the wrong spelling of whisky

 

[skelters]

I'll just leave this here about the Brexit....

On Page 21.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201516/ldselect/ldeucom/138/138.pdf

The role of the devolved legislatures in implementing the withdrawal
agreement

70. We asked Sir David whether he thought the Scottish Parliament would have
to give its consent to measures extinguishing the application of EU law in
Scotland. He noted that such measures would entail amendment of section
29 of the Scotland Act 1998, which binds the Scottish Parliament to act in a
manner compatible with EU law, and he therefore believed that the Scottish
Parliament’s consent would be required. He could envisage certain political
advantages being drawn from not giving consent.

71. We note that the European Communities Act is also entrenched in the
devolution settlements of Wales and Northern Ireland. Though we have
taken no evidence on this specific point, we have no reason to believe that
the requirement for legislative consent for its repeal would not apply to all the
devolved nations.

England cannot leave the EU without the consent of Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales. How hilarious is that!

 

[Angie4m]

Some folk have been watching too much braveheart I think. Reading some of the guff peddled on both sides of the boarder makes me wonder where it all went wrong.

A bit of banter during the footie or the 6 nations is fun but some of this is becoming down right bigoted and the worst of it is that although it's been pointed out, it's being justified.

I for one have had enough of it and don't care for it any longer. It's not a debate or opinion when people try to tell you that facts are wrong and their pie in the sky beliefs are right. That's why we've ended up where we are.

 

[Wondermike]

OK seeing as this was an exit poll and the result is well and truly out, it's time to lock this. For continuing referendum discussions please see these threads.

Second Scottish IndyRef

Independence Day

Brexit questions / post them here

Remember to play nicely folks :friends: