I'm no racing driver, But was wondering?
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Paza 4MC, please!
milu said:toplad said:milu said:
What a waste
It's not a waste if I enjoy the car is it?
I get plenty of performance going to around 6k when pressing on.
As mentioned above the only gear you can really wring out is 2nd. I've always enjoyed 3rd but unfortunately the redline is too quick for most circumstances.
The bassy exhaust note turning to more of a rasp is enjoyed from lower revs too!
The redline is too quick in 3rd????, if it's an M there is something wrong with your car!!
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What a waste
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It's not a waste if I enjoy the car is it?
I get plenty of performance going to around 6k when pressing on.
As mentioned above the only gear you can really wring out is 2nd. I've always enjoyed 3rd but unfortunately the redline is too quick for most circumstances.
The bassy exhaust note turning to more of a rasp is enjoyed from lower revs too![/quote]
The redline is too quick in 3rd????, if it's an M there is something wrong with your car!!
Tapatalking on my iPhone.......[/quote]
i find the gearing perfect with a touch of boost.... the long gear suit the ballistic way they revs rise...
[/quote]It's not a waste if I enjoy the car is it?
I get plenty of performance going to around 6k when pressing on.
As mentioned above the only gear you can really wring out is 2nd. I've always enjoyed 3rd but unfortunately the redline is too quick for most circumstances.
The bassy exhaust note turning to more of a rasp is enjoyed from lower revs too![/quote]
The redline is too quick in 3rd????, if it's an M there is something wrong with your car!!
Tapatalking on my iPhone.......[/quote]
i find the gearing perfect with a touch of boost.... the long gear suit the ballistic way they revs rise...
I think what he means is that if you pull max revs in 3rd you are doing 100mph+, therefore 2nd is the only gear that you can wring out regularly.VvrooomM said:
It should have been geared to do 100mph in 4th at the redline IMHO.
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Yeah I know, shame it never came with a 4.10 diff as standard.
Interesting thread. I'd say with any engine you should properly open it up at least now and then (only when it's fully warmed up), I figure that's good for it.
In London just driving around my local area with 30mph limits I generally drive like I would if i had a Micra or something, it's just not safe to really open it up, and pretty pointless to cane it only for seconds later to slam on the brakes as you approach a junction. Luckily I've family on the south coast so most months I have a proper run mainly on A roads with a bit of M25 thrown in too. That's where I can properly exploit the car's acceleration though I don't think I've ever hit the limiter. Without that relatively regular long run I'm not sure I'd have a performance car as there's no point having it if I'm just driving in 30mph areas for the vast majority of the time.
On my long runs there's a few roundabout exits onto dual carriageways where I can really open it up in 2nd and 3rd and use all the power, plus a few overtaking spots where again I can exploit the acceleration. There's a reasonable incline/gradient off one roundabout that has good visibility for some distance, and if you have a powerful car you can actually safely overtake slower cars/trucks on it when most drivers probably wouldn't consider overtaking due to the gradient/not having enough power.
It's horses for courses I guess, I'd advocate a mix of driving styles depending on conditions rather than exclusively one or t'other
In London just driving around my local area with 30mph limits I generally drive like I would if i had a Micra or something, it's just not safe to really open it up, and pretty pointless to cane it only for seconds later to slam on the brakes as you approach a junction. Luckily I've family on the south coast so most months I have a proper run mainly on A roads with a bit of M25 thrown in too. That's where I can properly exploit the car's acceleration though I don't think I've ever hit the limiter. Without that relatively regular long run I'm not sure I'd have a performance car as there's no point having it if I'm just driving in 30mph areas for the vast majority of the time.
On my long runs there's a few roundabout exits onto dual carriageways where I can really open it up in 2nd and 3rd and use all the power, plus a few overtaking spots where again I can exploit the acceleration. There's a reasonable incline/gradient off one roundabout that has good visibility for some distance, and if you have a powerful car you can actually safely overtake slower cars/trucks on it when most drivers probably wouldn't consider overtaking due to the gradient/not having enough power.
It's horses for courses I guess, I'd advocate a mix of driving styles depending on conditions rather than exclusively one or t'other
It's simple physics.
1. Gears multiply torque
2. Greater torque at wheels means greater acceleration at that point in time
3. Stay in the gear that delivers the greatest torque at wheels for any given road speed.
For most road cars, this means going as close to redline as possible without bouncing off the limiter. This appears to be true for all variants of e85/86. Certainly true for S54 and N52.
For cars with a falling torque curve and short gearing, it is possible for the optimal upshift to be less than redline, where the next higher gear will deliver more torque to the wheels than the current gear, given the same road speed.
A thorough analysis can be done by plotting a chart of torque at wheels vs. road speed for all gears. Where one gear's curve intersects the next gear's curve is the optimal shift point. If there is no intersection, then optimal upshift is at redline.
For example, the 2011 1M's optimal shift points are: 1-2:6850 2-3:6700 3-4:6300 4-5:5900 (based on insideline.com dyno results, 7k is redline)
1. Gears multiply torque
2. Greater torque at wheels means greater acceleration at that point in time
3. Stay in the gear that delivers the greatest torque at wheels for any given road speed.
For most road cars, this means going as close to redline as possible without bouncing off the limiter. This appears to be true for all variants of e85/86. Certainly true for S54 and N52.
For cars with a falling torque curve and short gearing, it is possible for the optimal upshift to be less than redline, where the next higher gear will deliver more torque to the wheels than the current gear, given the same road speed.
A thorough analysis can be done by plotting a chart of torque at wheels vs. road speed for all gears. Where one gear's curve intersects the next gear's curve is the optimal shift point. If there is no intersection, then optimal upshift is at redline.
For example, the 2011 1M's optimal shift points are: 1-2:6850 2-3:6700 3-4:6300 4-5:5900 (based on insideline.com dyno results, 7k is redline)
markos said:Interesting thread. I'd say with any engine you should properly open it up at least now and then (only when it's fully warmed up), I figure that's good for it.
In London just driving around my local area with 30mph limits I generally drive like I would if i had a Micra or something, it's just not safe to really open it up, and pretty pointless to cane it only for seconds later to slam on the brakes as you approach a junction. Luckily I've family on the south coast so most months I have a proper run mainly on A roads with a bit of M25 thrown in too. That's where I can properly exploit the car's acceleration though I don't think I've ever hit the limiter. Without that relatively regular long run I'm not sure I'd have a performance car as there's no point having it if I'm just driving in 30mph areas for the vast majority of the time.
On my long runs there's a few roundabout exits onto dual carriageways where I can really open it up in 2nd and 3rd and use all the power, plus a few overtaking spots where again I can exploit the acceleration. There's a reasonable incline/gradient off one roundabout that has good visibility for some distance, and if you have a powerful car you can actually safely overtake slower cars/trucks on it when most drivers probably wouldn't consider overtaking due to the gradient/not having enough power.
It's horses for courses I guess, I'd advocate a mix of driving styles depending on conditions rather than exclusively one or t'other
That's about where I'm at.
Yes of course the engine needs a workout now and then,but going down the high street is not the place!
milu said:markos said:Interesting thread. I'd say with any engine you should properly open it up at least now and then (only when it's fully warmed up), I figure that's good for it.
In London just driving around my local area with 30mph limits I generally drive like I would if i had a Micra or something, it's just not safe to really open it up, and pretty pointless to cane it only for seconds later to slam on the brakes as you approach a junction. Luckily I've family on the south coast so most months I have a proper run mainly on A roads with a bit of M25 thrown in too. That's where I can properly exploit the car's acceleration though I don't think I've ever hit the limiter. Without that relatively regular long run I'm not sure I'd have a performance car as there's no point having it if I'm just driving in 30mph areas for the vast majority of the time.
On my long runs there's a few roundabout exits onto dual carriageways where I can really open it up in 2nd and 3rd and use all the power, plus a few overtaking spots where again I can exploit the acceleration. There's a reasonable incline/gradient off one roundabout that has good visibility for some distance, and if you have a powerful car you can actually safely overtake slower cars/trucks on it when most drivers probably wouldn't consider overtaking due to the gradient/not having enough power.
It's horses for courses I guess, I'd advocate a mix of driving styles depending on conditions rather than exclusively one or t'other
That's about where I'm at.
Yes of course the engine needs a workout now and then,but going down the high street is not the place!
X2 in my view
