HS2
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As a northerner i couldn't be happier with the news that no more tax payers ££ would be squandered on this project .
i get why southerners would want it but not the other way around
there was a time when many friends /associates travelled south weekly for business , right now i couldn't think of one & that's down to more than just WFH .
To stretch this thread into more general political comment i think Rishi & his team have done a great job in tightening the nuts on all 4 wheels that were wobbling big time after the idiot Boris & his joke cabinet ( a dancing bear would have done a better job
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Wind back 6 months & a labour victory was pretty much assured but have to applaud the tory team for cooking up some bold moves in the last few weeks
1) extending the availability of petrol / diesel vehicles : if there wasn't a incentive for personal tax or business to save money for users they would have barely caused a ripple in sales : for 9 out of 10 owners they aren't desirable for what they represent environmentally .
2) rapists to serve all term of sentence : & so should all other criminals
3) announced they want to "max out" oil & gas drilling : great pity it can't go straight to UK users at base cost
4) stepping up the anti immigrant / stop the boat impetus : quite simply cannot carry on as it is .
If they get the timing right with regard numbers on cost of living / inflation & interest rates are seen to have peaked i wouldn't write off another tory parliament after this one .
Or am i just delusional
i get why southerners would want it but not the other way around
there was a time when many friends /associates travelled south weekly for business , right now i couldn't think of one & that's down to more than just WFH . To stretch this thread into more general political comment i think Rishi & his team have done a great job in tightening the nuts on all 4 wheels that were wobbling big time after the idiot Boris & his joke cabinet ( a dancing bear would have done a better job
) Wind back 6 months & a labour victory was pretty much assured but have to applaud the tory team for cooking up some bold moves in the last few weeks
1) extending the availability of petrol / diesel vehicles : if there wasn't a incentive for personal tax or business to save money for users they would have barely caused a ripple in sales : for 9 out of 10 owners they aren't desirable for what they represent environmentally .
2) rapists to serve all term of sentence : & so should all other criminals
3) announced they want to "max out" oil & gas drilling : great pity it can't go straight to UK users at base cost
4) stepping up the anti immigrant / stop the boat impetus : quite simply cannot carry on as it is .
If they get the timing right with regard numbers on cost of living / inflation & interest rates are seen to have peaked i wouldn't write off another tory parliament after this one .
Or am i just delusional
I think what alot of people miss with or what was HS2 is it wasn't just about passengers but also freight ie by moving alot of long distance traffic off the old rail network, already clogged up roads etc onto a high speed line or what would have been one and so improving local and national freight services.
It's a shame more of a handle wasn't paid to the increasing costs for HS2 but then when the rail network was originally conceived had our Victorian friends agonised over costs it would never have been built in the first place, same with canals etc and all the other fantastic engineering projects. Perhaps they just had more competent accountants.
It's a shame this country will now be left with a half hearted transport system that just happens to be in the South
Definitely agree with comment above, look at Japan on how to do high speed rail properly.
Tim.
It's a shame more of a handle wasn't paid to the increasing costs for HS2 but then when the rail network was originally conceived had our Victorian friends agonised over costs it would never have been built in the first place, same with canals etc and all the other fantastic engineering projects. Perhaps they just had more competent accountants.
It's a shame this country will now be left with a half hearted transport system that just happens to be in the South
Definitely agree with comment above, look at Japan on how to do high speed rail properly.
Tim.
No, the Victorians had an abundance of very cheap labour.TitanTim said:I think what alot of people miss with or what was HS2 is it wasn't just about passengers but also freight ie by moving alot of long distance traffic off the old rail network, already clogged up roads etc onto a high speed line or what would have been one and so improving local and national freight services.
It's a shame more of a handle wasn't paid to the increasing costs for HS2 but then when the rail network was originally conceived had our Victorian friends agonised over costs it would never have been built in the first place, same with canals etc and all the other fantastic engineering projects. Perhaps they just had more competent accountants.
It's a shame this country will now be left with a half hearted transport system that just happens to be in the South
Definitely agree with comment above, look at Japan on how to do high speed rail properly.
Tim.
MikeyH said:No, the Victorians had an abundance of very cheap labour.TitanTim said:I think what alot of people miss with or what was HS2 is it wasn't just about passengers but also freight ie by moving alot of long distance traffic off the old rail network, already clogged up roads etc onto a high speed line or what would have been one and so improving local and national freight services.
It's a shame more of a handle wasn't paid to the increasing costs for HS2 but then when the rail network was originally conceived had our Victorian friends agonised over costs it would never have been built in the first place, same with canals etc and all the other fantastic engineering projects. Perhaps they just had more competent accountants.
It's a shame this country will now be left with a half hearted transport system that just happens to be in the South
Definitely agree with comment above, look at Japan on how to do high speed rail properly.
Tim.
Yes but more foresight, they must be looking down and laughing.
Tim.
TitanTim said:
I really don't understand why this myth persists!
I live in a village in Surrey that's only about 2 miles from the M3 but we only get 8 buses a day on weekdays in each direction, the last around 6pm, and just 2 on Saturdays! Nearest stations are 1.4 or 2.2 miles away.
It's no wonder everyone travels by car. :roll:
Unfortunately just delusional.mr wilks said:If they get the timing right with regard numbers on cost of living / inflation & interest rates are seen to have peaked i wouldn't write off another tory parliament after this one .
Or am i just delusional
Like or loath Boris, at least he was voted into office by the public / membership.
Rishi has lost every vote in any election contest he has entered, and as long as he and Hunt are in charge, (I a lifelong Tory voter in an area where they don't count Labour votes they just weigh them) will never vote Tory.
I suspect Labour will win comfortably but only because Tory voters will just not turn out to vote.
Would be interested to know how much money has now been wasted in cancelling HS2 and potential regeneration loss, add in all the plans Local Authorities had put in place in accomodating HS2, infrastructure, commerce, business that would have been planned and factored in, what a waste.
Always voted Tory but first Brexit and now the HS2 fiasco why would you vote for them again and as mentioned Sunak wasn't voted in by the electorate.
Tim.
Always voted Tory but first Brexit and now the HS2 fiasco why would you vote for them again
and as mentioned Sunak wasn't voted in by the electorate.Tim.
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Nanu said:
I am in that camp TBH. I will NEVER vote Labour and am a life-long Tory voter, but this time I will not vote, unless it is a 'none of the above' paper spoiler. I can't forgive Boris' Gov for the scaremongering over Covid and the utter fiasco they made of sorting Brexit (which is what they were voted in for let's be honest).
I used to be quite interested in British politics. The Blair years finished it for me TBH. Utter, utter, sell-out, that's what 'New Labour' were and cost the Country an absolute fortune (and still are with their stealth taxes which have not been rescinded).
I would never vote Labour, they have b*lls it up too much in the past and will again. Used to vote Tory back in the early Thatcher years before she went mad, don’t anymore, voted for the Lib Dem’s until they sold us out to the Conservatives. Who the hell is left now? Raving Looney Party?