How to deal with bird poo

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Thought I would share this ''good-to-know'' info on the subject:

From an Autoglym press release:

New research from Autoglym, the UK's leading car care experts, suggests that the familiar sight of car bodywork 'etched' by bird droppings are not the result of any corrosive property in the deposit, as is commonly believed. In fact, damage instead results from the paint lacquer contracting upon cooling and moulding to the uneven texture of the hardened deposit.

As paint lacquer warms – in the direct summer sunshine for example – it softens and expands. At the same time, that heat dries and hardens any bird droppings on the surface. Autoglym's researchers discovered that as the paint lacquer cools, overnight for example, it contracts, hardens and moulds around the texture of the bird dropping. To the naked eye, this moulding at a microscopic level appears as dulled or etched paintwork. The light's reflection is interrupted by the imperfect surface, unlike the undamaged paint surrounding it which gives a clearer reflection.

Autoglym's tests with strongly acidic, neutral and strongly alkali bird dropping substitutes highlighted negligible differences in the damage caused. However, differences in paint damage were noted when the substitute bird deposits had varying degrees of grain-to-liquid content. A grainier texture caused greater light distortion (dullness) when the paint moulded around it.

Wax and polish treatments – that protect against chemical attack from acid raid and UV sun damage, for example – provide limited protection from the paint moulding to bird droppings, although they will make them easier to remove. The longer the deposit remains on the bodywork, and the higher the temperatures, the harder the dried deposit will be, and the greater the propensity for the paint lacquer to mould to it as it cools. Bird dropping damage can only be prevented by motorists remaining vigilant and removing the deposit as soon as possible.

Autoglym's has outlined some tips for minimising the risk of damage from bird droppings:

- Remove the deposit at the earliest opportunity

- Motorists should use a moist cloth – Autoglym's Bird Dropping Wipes are ideal – to gently lift the deposit from the surface

- If the deposit is dry or doesn't lift easily, place a moist cloth over it for ten minutes to soften the deposit

- Dispose of any cloth or wipe used to remove bird droppings immediately and carefully wash your hands, as bird lime can harbour diseases

Paul Caller, CEO of Autoglym, said: "It's a great shame when an otherwise fabulous-looking car is blighted with a tell-tale patch of dull paint. As a result of this new research by our R&D team in Letchworth, we now understand why bird droppings are a frighteningly potent hazard to bodywork.

"As bird droppings become ever more prevalent through spring and into summer, motorists must be extremely vigilant to avoid permanent damage, especially those who park their cars under trees at home or at work. The only way to prevent the paint becoming noticeably tarnished is to carefully remove deposits as swiftly as possible."

Autoglym's Bird Dropping Wipes (RRP £5.25) – in a handy compact pack to keep in the car – are impregnated with a cleansing formulation to remove bird droppings quickly and safely.
 
This is a big hate of mine.. Spent a good portion of Monday cleaning the car only to find a nice big fresh dollop of it right in the middle of the bonnet on Tuesday morning after I had parked under a tree at a local school for a meeting. Im sure that bird must have had a chicken vindaloo the night before.. Jesus!!!!

What I tend to use is a few squirts of Quick Detailer with a moist baby wipe to remove the residue and then another couple of squirts of QD and buff with a microfibre cloth. Had some awful marks on my previous sapphire black 1 series from a previous owner that took some shifting with a DA polisher.
 
Interesting, so presumably warming the marks with a hair dryer, or maybe warm water and firm buffing could get them out then? Fortunately the Zed is pox free but I will experiment on the daily euro-box.
 
How jolly convenient that Autoglym has a product to fix the problem...thats one hell of a co-incidence.

Not sure I believe it, especially when birds eat so much fruit etc with acid content, and then s**t on our soft water-based paint. And I've had marks on flat paint as well as lacquered, on water and tradional paint finishes.....

Still, jolly good of them to invent something to fix it eh! :driving: :rofl:
 
I have this problem - but with screen wash, not with bird mess.

The poorly located washer jets, as you all know, leave loads of droplets on the bonnet - these have dried in the sun on my Zed, leaving 'etching' exactly as described as above. Claying won't shift them, so it's good to hear the rationale behind the cause.

I'm looking at getting a DA polisher soon, so hopefuly that can sort things.

Si
 
I've had Autoglym's Bird Dropping Wipes in the boot of my Zeds for a couple of years. Very handy too.

They get the thumbs up from me.
 
Working in a Dockyard, it's not uncommon for the local Gulls to use the Car Park as a latrine & once one has marked the target they all go for the same poor sods car, like some squawk fuelled dambusters raid. I've always been pretty vigilant ie if it's there when I go for lunch it's cleaned before I do anything else. Otherwise as soon as the car hits the driveway at home. Having read this article I will be maintaining my vigilance. :P
 
Speed is a key factor - you need to get it off the paint as soon as possible.

I tend to soak it with a soapy cloth if its a cement like dropping.

Having the paint waxed with something like Collinite 915 or FK1000p does help IMO.
 
Just to comment further - the water marks on mine have been awful, washing with Meg's Next Gen, even claying, hasn't removed them.

I washed with washing up liquid today, against everything in my heart saying otherwise - and it was awesome.

All of the marks are gone and the paint is 'visibly clean'.
Now, it's not a great finish of course, it's dull and lacklustre, but tomorrow night I'll wash from scratch with my ususal full routine with Meg's NxtGen, clay, AG finishing sauces to re-protect etc!

Washing up liquid really worked, thanks guys.

S
 
When I got home this afternoon, bird poo was on the rear screen and rear wheel arch. After I cleaned the poo, it already damaged the paintwork. It took me hour using SRP to smooth the surface and reduce its size. But a nearly invisible small mark is still there. :(
 
ksher said:
When I got home this afternoon, bird poo was on the rear screen and rear wheel arch. After I cleaned the poo, it already damaged the paintwork. It took me hour using SRP to smooth the surface and reduce its size. But a nearly invisible small mark is still there. :(

You might need something more abrasive to get rid of it completely, like a proper cutting compound. Menzerna products are very good.
 
Z4 Beemer said:
You might need something more abrasive to get rid of it completely, like a proper cutting compound. Menzerna products are very good.

I know, but I will be nervous to use that. What about AG Paint Renovator?
 
I had some bad etch marks on my boot probably caused by the last owner not being vigilant enough about bird mess.

Used a das6 pro on low speed, sonus sfx-1 pad and Menzerna power finish which is a medium cut liquid. My first time doing this but just did it carefully, wiping and inspecting after each short period of polishing. Dunno if this was quite the right thing to do but it worked.

Not too hard to do with care. Still a right noob at this and I find there are so many options in the detailing world that makes this all a bit confusing at first.

Next, I'm going to have a go at some swirls on the bonnet :)
 
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