How do people afford new cars?

This is sort of what I'm talking about. I have no idea how many people on here are single, retired, company directors, in the Scottish oil business etc etc etc but I would guess there are more than a few.

I'm early 40s with a good and well paid job but a big mortgage, single wage, new kitchen and bathroom to buy a and growing family. £300+ a month for me just doesn't make a lot of sense for a car that is effectively a town hack to be abused (and am sure that's not part of any allowed PCP wear and tear contract description!).

Perhaps I've answered my own question. Either save for something good second hand or if beyond that amount and for speed, take out a small bank loan.
 
Morning ! Always an interesting point. Just to add confusion to the matter for you, lease vs PCP. I don't get why you would PCP over lease?

Lease.... A small deposit and then your average monthly payments. Give the car back after 2-3 years, you've paid some depreciation but have the option to buy the car still at the end, most of the time. That final payment is not usually foxed from the beginning and deals can sometimes be had.

PCP ... You still don't "own" it. But you pay a bigger deposit, similar monthly payments and if you want to keep it after the term then there's a big payment involved. Usually this payment is fixed from the start, not in your favour.

Now that confuses me, as leasing looks a no brainer out of the two.
 
Everyones situation is very different , its a combination of annual salary, prevailing local house prices , family situation and equity built up within previous car purchases . I have had one main car which lost no value in 2 1/2 years of ownership and this allowed me to jump ahead a bit . If you live in the south east i imagine the amount of free income for cars is less than areas of the UK where property values are less.

For me I like to watch the depreciation like a hawk so that i can protect my equity - i always try and estimate it before each purchase by looking at the value of the car I'm going to buy by looking at the price of cars on autotrader that are 2-3 years older with 2 to 3 times my annual mileage added- not totally accurate but it gives me a rule of thumb to work with. for me this is really important as you see some surprises when you complete this calculation.

Ive owned a few luxury cars and i use this figure along with what car depreciation guides to calculate a running cost factoring in the cost of additional warranties - which on Land Rovers is not a small sum approx 1.1k a year . I have even been known to factor in the cost of tyres when i was looking at a demo with 12k on it versus a a new car . I used this basis to decide between a Toureg and a Range Rover Sport last time around and although the purchase price was significantly different the month on month depreciation in pounds was about the same. It also gives you a fair idea of when you should be looking at changing.


i think if you do this it prepares you for trade in day - its not a shocker as you have already factored in the loss.

Here are some examples

New MX-5 purchased 14.5k Part Ex'd 2 years later 10.5K - 2k per annum depreciation - break the myth that all new car purchases lose you thousands
Discovery 3 purchased 21.7k 2008 Part Ex'd 2011 21.5k - this will never happen again- due to buying in the bottom of the financial crisis.


whilst 300 a month is a lot of money - have a look at what broadband and sky ( if you have it) is costing us all a month- its wont be far of a third of that.
 
Stark said:
A PCP has a GFV thought where as a lease doesn't......
Me being stupid probably, but if you're planning on running a daily and replacing every few years then that wouldn't matter would it?
 
bigdog said:
Tim, Just don't buy a car from a nudist.
Of course I do prefer that all skid marks emanate from just behind the tyres, not the seats. :thumbsup:

:rofl: :rofl: :thumbsup:

I suppose Tim you've never spent a night in a hotel bed? Now if you don't want a used car because of dirt, just think what's happened below those freshly laundered sheets that cover that well used bed. :roll:
 
We have the choice of company car or car allowance. We have used both, sometimes the allowance towards payments for a new car or company car and then buy it at the end of the period and got back to an allowance for a few years to save up. Our Z4 we are doing BMW's finance as we don't know if we will love it enough to keep it so the small deposit and monthly payment suits us. We also keep our cars for a long time so depreciation doesn't really count for us. We also found that with the BMW finance for the Z4, although we could buy it outright the finance will only cost us £50 a year than the interest we will lose, and gives us a lot more flexibility.

As others have said, it depends on where you live and your own circumstances and choices. We don't smoke, drink or have lots of holidays, we also don't have a clue about what is going on under the bonnet of a car so buying new suits us for that reason. Finally if you read Money Saving Expert you should never use a bank/personal loan to buy a car due to some loophole benefit if you use dealer financing, not sure of the whole scenario but its all on their forum.
 
My situation is probably a lot different to other peoples....I don't have a mortgage but then again don't have a house, with no children, and I don't drink or smoke.....I just got divorced and have a decent amount of equity left and I own my car now, so I could perhaps just go out and buy a car outright, but that doesn't even seem sensible to me.

The nagging thought is to be grateful for what I have in that my E89 is still lively even at 60k miles and I don't owe anything on it.

And spending £450 on a lease for my Porsche seems ok, but with my car as a deposit, those figures seem quite scary and then in 3 years I would have to find £16,000 to buy the car outright.....

Now you understand why just keeping my Z and being happy with what I have seems quite attractive.
 
When it comes down to financing I don't really care which method it is... I just go with whatever is cheapest.

Like others have said, buying new depends on many different factors such as your mortgage, salary etc.

I would always go for a better house and have less income to pay for a car.

I bought my Zed new because I wanted to finance it and it worked out cheaper than financing a used one. I'm 25 and £325 a month is very affordable but thats because I have no kids to worry about!

If you are a cash buyer I don't think it makes sense to buy new (unless you are loaded) but sometimes with finance and especially with BMW, the contributions and rates they give are so good that it becomes more affordable.
 
im with you inkey i just dont get how some people afford stuff in general. especially big expensive cars. you see an ad for a focus saying "only 350 per month" and i think sweet jesus... thats a shed load. maybe i just dont earn enough and everyone else does :D

i did have my suspicions but then when you look at the finances it never seems to add up. i assume its all credit. some how. i guess for some stuff like a sofa where dfs will offer a 0% apr over time then people can afford more than maybe they would outwardly look like. personally i have no issue with credit when used right.

i suppose for me the bottom line is not how much it costs total but how much it costs month to month. i do like to know the total and will make an informed decision.

as for used cars and bodily fluids how do you get on going in any toilet anywhere? the number of people who dont wash their hands and then use the same handle as you is huge. my point is you can clean and sterilise a car but your everyday contact with stuff you cant and i would worry more about that. how do you handle money?
 
This is an interesting one, as it's really a personal point of view for anyone who has to consider it - there's no one-size-fits-all answer. For me, the key word is 'afford' - it sounds obvious but it really is down to what your individual perception is of what you can afford - for me it is what you are able and prepared to spend. That is usually influenced by what you want and/or need the car to do for you.

For example, my wife's car was ruined in a collision earlier in the year so we had to replace it - it wasn't worth much so the insurance payout was negligible, meaning we might as well start from scratch - normally we'd work out the pros of changing the car versus the cons of keeping the existing car and spending the money elsewhere - it might be partly to maintain that car or to spend on other stuff completely unrelated to it.

Poor little bogey.
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We needed a car that she was comfortable driving yet practical enough to do the donkey work (taking passengers, doing tip runs, weekly shop etc). We have (in my mind) a decent combined income and are on top of our overall outgoings, so we were able to buy brand new, but it just made no sense to us so we were not prepared to spend that much. We didn't need the perceived prestige of being owner-number-one on the log book, nor the dealership experience of choosing your own spec and driving off the forecourt, or the warranty/servicing packs - we also didn't want to absorb that level of depreciation, as it's money lost (and rarely recouped) as a result of all the nice stuff around buying new - I don't deny it'd be lovely, I've bought new before under different circumstances - this time we just needed a reliable, safe car that does all we needed it to, to be a weekend workhorse, nothing extravagant - and the less we spend on it, the more there is to spend on other nice stuff that takes priority over a 'nicer' car, like holidays and getting the house fixed up (as well as keeping that safety buffer for a rainy day).

In our case, we spent 3000 on a used but fairly good condition 55-plate Mk2 Focus. That was buying it with eyes open for 2500 and spending 500 for fixing any niggling issues/preventative maintenance (that was including cambelt, waterpump, service and 2 new Goodyears with tracking). A lot of people would see that as 'too much hassle', but it should now serve us for the next 5 years at least which should cover the first years of us raising a family - if it's worth zero at the end of that, I won't lose sleep over it - I'm prepared to lose that money, anything more than that 5 years trouble free service is a bonus. If I didn't have that much to spend, I'd have looked at my options - my Z4 is all luxury which is why if it had to go to buy the Focus, I'd have done it, if that wasn't enough I'd have bought something similar but older like a Mk1 Focus or a Mk4 Golf, if I after all that I couldn't buy a car I'd have been 'unable' to fund it, either I'd have to make a sacrifice (obtain the funds some other way) or go from being prepared to spend to not being prepared to spend (do without).

Donkey.
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Oh and on the thing about used cars and trying to be hygienic, the Focus did smell like it was owned by a chain-smoker and the amount of crap that came out of the seats, carpets, headlining and hard surfaces was unreal. But after a mornings worth of cleaning it came up pretty fresh.
 
Cash buys:-- as I see it you loose 2% from capital doing nothing cos you've spent it.
PCP etc:- you loose 2% on the deposit you've payed plus you pay interest of say 5% on the balance owed.
At the end of the deal you have to find a load do dosh to own your car or start on the merry go round again. Reading what people have said on here, they seem to hand them back after treating them to toys and treatments then buy another.

Depreciation of the asset is the same on both methods. But it is real and has to be factored in because it effects the next buy.

If you save your pennies and buy with cash if you can,and maybe accept you can't buy brand new or exactly what you want, you can then put what you would have been paying to the money lenders or whatever their posh name is, into your own car saving fund which you will get your little bit of 2% tax free interst in say an isa - all ready for the next car in three years.

Once your on the PCP thing then effectively are you not paying that 5% forever? Thus effectively paying that on top of the retail price.

That's my logic - if it's flawed I will maybe change my thinking.
 
£xxx per month for a new car every 2/3 years with pretty much zero extra running costs versus £x,xxx to buy 2nd hand outright then £xxx/£x,xxx every once in a while to fix the thing.

I like to know how much I've got coming in and spend how much I think is reasonable for the current car.

So you never actually own it and I've paid the depreciation - but who cares - no point being the richest corpse in the graveyard :).

ps Once I'm retired I'll probably keep the current car - which may be the 35iS if it's as good as I hope it's going to be :)
 
Jasey said:
- no point being the richest corpse in the graveyard :).

ps Once I'm retired I'll probably keep the current car - which may be the 35iS if it's as good as I hope it's going to be :)

Definitely yes to point 1

But you will probably change your mind about keeping the car when you join the ranks of the great unwashed!
I've bought two zeds during retirement!

I hope it's not my last either
 
ronk said:
Jasey said:
- no point being the richest corpse in the graveyard :).

ps Once I'm retired I'll probably keep the current car - which may be the 35iS if it's as good as I hope it's going to be :)

Definitely yes to point 1

But you will probably change your mind about keeping the car when you join the ranks of the great unwashed!
I've bought two zeds during retirement!

I hope it's not my last either
I hope you're right :).

But they way successive governments have been going I wont be able to retire until I'm 103 anyway ;)
 
I hope so as well and I've held a bus pass for a few years now!

I was born at the right time and hope to grow old disgracefully. I think I need to trade the current 3.0 E89 for a 35is -it's an itch that needs a scratch. :thumbsup:
 
-Tom- said:
Morning ! Always an interesting point. Just to add confusion to the matter for you, lease vs PCP. I don't get why you would PCP over lease?

Lease.... A small deposit and then your average monthly payments. Give the car back after 2-3 years, you've paid some depreciation but have the option to buy the car still at the end, most of the time. That final payment is not usually foxed from the beginning and deals can sometimes be had.

PCP ... You still don't "own" it. But you pay a bigger deposit, similar monthly payments and if you want to keep it after the term then there's a big payment involved. Usually this payment is fixed from the start, not in your favour.

Now that confuses me, as leasing looks a no brainer out of the two.

The Personal Contract Hire vs PCP is an interesting one. Just being comparing some quotes on both schemes, and have concluded that if you go short term, e.g 24 months, Contract Hire looks to be the cheaper option. Go based on 36 months, and the cost on both looks fairly comparable. On 48 months + then PCP is cheaper.
Note: This is based on brand new vehicles, and the total amount paid out including deposits, but excluding the final payment/GFV on PCP.

Those were my findings anyway.
 
ronk said:
I hope so as well and I've held a bus pass for a few years now!

I was born at the right time and hope to grow old disgracefully. I think I need to trade the current 3.0 E89 for a 35is -it's an itch that needs a scratch. :thumbsup:
Was following one of these up the A1 last week - could be my next itch :D.

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But I'll get the Z4 itch sorted first ;)
 
Oh , I've got another itch.

ZermattV has posted his new toy and I have my wife almost convinced that I could dump my current zed and her a4 Quattro for one like it :thumbsup:

Not sure how much of a scratch I'll get?
 
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