HIFI DSP - insufficient bass, anyone?

Hi all

I have the Hifi System Prof DSP in my Z4 and I can't help feeling that it really does not live up to the hefty price tag for an audio system. I don't find the bass punchy at all. It is good for jazz and classical but I wonder what solutions anyone has come up with to get more punchy bass.

Or, am I alone in feeling underwhelmed by the top audio package??

Nick :|
 
Hi, I'm not sure what "Hifi System Prof DSP" is so sorry can't help. I have the 10 speaker system in mine (but not with upgarded amp) and mine has plenty of bass, sometimes too much even on normal setting.
 
I have the same as you but with the amp and DSP settings. It has bass - but way too boomy and not very "punchy" for my liking, thats all.

Is your bass "punchy"?
 
I think you'll want to use the 'Tone' button on the stereo to reveal the Bass/Treble/Bal controls and boost the bass from there. You can then 'tweak' things using the DSP interface.
 
As for the 'boomy' effect - you'll probably want to turn down the most left-hand bar of the EQ - that one has the biggest effect on the rear subs which can be a bit OTT. When I want strong bass, I turn the 2nd-from-left up (and maybe the next one too), but normally keep the 1st on the left below half-way.
 
Yes - I have done all that. I like the sound but without sounding ridiculous, I would like a more thumping bass and this system just does not seem to deliver. It is very loud and clear though. are you happy with yours then, Screamer? I see you have the THX, system. Is that what I would have? Mine has the Carver amp.

I was hoping that the speakers behind the seats would deliver the thumping bass, but I don't think they are really big enough.
 
Hmm... Well if you do want a bit more of a pummelling, try to move the left-hand band upwards. I've found I can feel them when I do that, although it's too much for me. You also have to be careful how high you go because they start to make a 'popping' sound (a bit like someone shaking a sheet of metal, Rolf Harris style).

I'm over the moon with mine - my only real complaint is that you do have to turn it up to get the nice highs and lows... At lower speeds you don't seem to hear them much, which is odd given that the Carver technology is supposed to increase bass at low volumes lol! I guess you could say that the subs could provide more 'thump' and I think the reason why they don't is because they're actually quite small as subs go (although the mesh over them looks large, the actual speaker diameter is pretty tiny for a sub - it's because behind the mesh is a cage design that's noticably smaller than the mesh, then there's the panel with the speaker attached that sits on top of the cage which has to take into account a lip around the cage which is what it secures by). The rule of thumb is that a small speaker can be more 'punchy' and accurate simply because there's less of it, and air, to move. The downside is that the amount of air moved relates to how much of that really low-down grumble a speaker can produce - it's obvious really, small and punchy is going to mean a quick and short sound whereas large and slow is going to mean a slower, longer-lasting grumble. I'd guess that the point at which our subs start going all 'poppy' is when larger subs would really start to make loud rumblings.

To fit bigger subs that would produce more of the low-down rumble you're looking for, i'd expect it to be a fairly big job: I don't think there'd be much problem with connecting such things up as I assume the amp uses normal impendences etc (unlike Bose systems - if you want new speakers, you have to replace the amp and ideally all the wiring too on them), but you would have to take out the entire plastic area behind the seats to reveal the cages onto which the current subs + plates fit. You'd then want to either cut big chunks out of them or replace them with new cages so that you can make new plates with your new subs mounted...

As far as i'm aware, there's 3 speaker configs in the Z4: the standard 6 speaker setup which consists of 6 speakers (suprise!) that're powered directly from the stereo headunit, the 10 speaker system that doesn't have any additional adjustment over the 6 speaker system (just the usual bass/treble/bal controls) but (I think) has an external amp (maybe the DSP amp, maybe a different one). Finally, there's the DSP system which is the one with the 7-band EQ, 10 speakers and the external amp. I can tell you that the tweeters and subs in this system are manufactured by Philips, so I'd guess that the rest is (possibly also including the amp). From memory, Philips also make the stereo headunit. This system is the THX-approved system. Carver is a technology name that's supposed to boost bass at low volumes and also relates to the claim about how good the subs are despite their tiny size (something, from memory, to do with the subs having more forwards/backwards movement than usual in an attempt to negate their lack of diameter).

Hope that helps!
 
I dont know if you can do it with the carver system, but to get more "punch" and less "boom", you need to reverse the phase of the speaker setting, a lot of sub bass`s do this, the other thing is to adjust the hertz rating to it, as having to much bass going in produces a rumble, between 50 - 80 hertz is punchy below that is very boomy.
 
There's no obvious 'reverse phase' option, but would swapping-around the speaker's connector achieve the same thing?
Adjusting the hertz rating - that's, in effect, adjusting the crossover points I assume. That's a bit tricky because the crossovers are controlled by inline resistors, so you'd need to 1. really know what you're doing and 2. swap-in different resistors...
 
Yes, I think I will resist messing with the wiring and try my luck at adjusting the DSP settings.

Dont get me wrong, it does sound good, but I really was expecting one heck of a system, but I guess unless I have a 12" subwoofer or similar, I am not going to get big punchy bass. Perhaps I should just act my age :oops:
 
No probs Nick - thanks for the thanks :wink:

Oh, and congrats on entry to the "i've got THX and I now know it" club! :lol:

Where are you based - maybe we should meet up and have a Who's Got The Loudest THX System competition :wink:

I'm 23 but can't be bothered acting my age - it costs too much in alcohol!
 
Screamer said:
There's no obvious 'reverse phase' option, but would swapping-around the speaker's connector achieve the same thing?
Adjusting the hertz rating - that's, in effect, adjusting the crossover points I assume. That's a bit tricky because the crossovers are controlled by inline resistors, so you'd need to 1. really know what you're doing and 2. swap-in different resistors...

Not being familier with the carver system, i was just pointing out what is adjustable on a aftermaket sub bass system, didnt know if the carver had similar settings/functions.
 
That's the one thing I miss slightly from my old BMW MINI S (as well as the supercharger whine!), the bass response of the sound system!

I have the 10 speaker Hi Fi upgrade in my Z4 and it sounds very good (now I have fiddled with the settings), but it doesn't compair to the Harman Kardon system I had in my MINI. The bass from that made the rear view mirror AND door mirrors vibrate and still sounded crisp! A bass you could feel!!! :thumbsup: :D
Friends used to look for the subs in the boot! :P
 
I haven't got the Carver/THX amp in mine.

Hasn't it got a Z4 setting on the amp menu?
The Harmon Kardon in the MINI had a pre-set "MINI" setting on the menu that set the graphic and amp up to the optimal settings for the MINI cabin.
 
Nope - instead you get a few "Cathedral" (etc) type presets and Memo 1 thru 3 for user-defined choices. As well as the 7 EQ bands, there's an additional 2 for Room and Echo. You can also switch the EQ off.
 
Ive got the Hifi upgrade too, its pretty good, but not as good as installs ive done myself in the past. Bottom line is mines a softop and unless i go for a nice sub box and proper kit it will never hit the bass i would love.

It is 100 times better than the set up in our boxster which is really poor.

The thing that winds me up is when people really pump up there stereo to show how good it is and the spreakers are struggling and my eyes are bleeding!!!! :cry:

Cheers

PaulN
 
I can imagine that the Boxster is pretty rubbish. How do I know? They offer a Bose system as an UPGRADE! :o Bose stuff is generally pretty horrid, so how poor the standard system must be, I don't know!

I'm with you on that: people seem to think that just because something's loud, its good - despite the fact that the vocals, guitars and drums have been converted to what seems to be entirely white noise.
 
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