Help - New Alloy Wheels - CSL Replicas

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Exactmax

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Hello Everyone,

I wanting to change my alloy wheels from the 18" runflat Ellipsoid's to these http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390143092711&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (18" CSL replicas). I am wanting to know if they will fit my 2004 2.2 Z4 without any problems? Is it worth the upgrade from 225/40/18 tyres to 235/40/18?

I understand that you can have wider tires at the back of the car aswell (at an added cost)... Does the standard 2.2 have wider wheels at the back anyway? Is it worth having wider wheels? I have done a search and not really found my answers. Any help from someone would be great.


Thanks
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How much should I be looking at spending for a decent set of replicas then? Does the standard 2.2 have wider wheels at the back anyway? Is it worth having wider wheels?
 
Have to agree, wheels might be nice to change to look flashy, but they're kind of important from a safety perspective too.. Original CSLs are £1200ish without tyres, I'd be sceptical of any *new* deals for less than 600.

Second hand is a different thing entirely tho.
 
How long would the tires last compared to the crappy runflats I have on my car now? Would it be okay to have 235/40/18 on all four wheels or would this be a bad idea?
 
For that money the tyres will be garbage. The lack of names suggests real budget stuff. Id' find some without tyres and buy your own or ask for better tyres if it's a retailer? Falken 452s are a good compromise between cost and quality, about £90 each. Wheel quality is impossible to judge from that pic. I'm also interested as I want CSLs....have you seen pictures of these on a car? As I recall, 18"s look quite different on the Z4M to the 19"
 
Exactmax said:
How much should I be looking at spending for a decent set of replicas then?
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About 1k? £400 on tyres and £600 on rims.

IMO I would go for 19" as I think 18" CSLs reps would look odd.
 
Exactmax said:
Hello Everyone,

I wanting to change my alloy wheels from the 18" runflat Ellipsoid's to these http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390143092711&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (18" CSL replicas). I am wanting to know if they will fit my 2004 2.2 Z4 without any problems? Is it worth the upgrade from 225/40/18 tyres to 235/40/18?

I understand that you can have wider tires at the back of the car aswell (at an added cost)... Does the standard 2.2 have wider wheels at the back anyway? Is it worth having wider wheels? I have done a search and not really found my answers. Any help from someone would be great.


Thanks
:D
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The 2.2 came with many options one of which was standard 16" rims with equal size rubber all round or an upgrade to a staggered fit on larger rims (18"). As for your intended current purchase I personally wouldn't do it. The whole set up looks OK but you get what you pay for and if the tyres are at a minimum of £50 each corner this makes the wheels a very cheap purchase and the quality I am sure will reflected in the finish and durability. As for the tyres - the only thing between you and the road are your tyres, cheap tyres = poor performance both in terms of general performance and more importantly handling in what after all is a 'sport' designed vehicle. Undoubtedly you will compromise on safety – road holding and braking distance. The choice is yours but I would go for a reputable dealer to supply the replicas and a quality set of tyres to compliment - the extra cost I think will be worth it.
 
Found pictures of 18" Replicas:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=386771

Different look, but still quite nice. Amazing what a difference an inch makes...
 
So the CLS's that are seen on some M are the 19" not the 18"?

Is it worth having the wider tyres at the rear?

I have also been looking at these http://www.mstyle.co.uk/acatalog/BMW_Z_Z4_Z4M_MSTyle_collection.html would anyone recommend the CSL Silver 18, CSL Silver 18 Wider Rears or the CSL Silver 19?
 
Exactmax said:
So the CLS's that are seen on some M are the 19" not the 18"?

Is it worth having the wider tyres at the rear?

I have also been looking at these http://www.mstyle.co.uk/acatalog/BMW_Z_Z4_Z4M_MSTyle_collection.html would anyone recommend the CSL Silver 18, CSL Silver 18 Wider Rears or the CSL Silver 19?
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Yes all I've seen are 19's.Go for one of the wider ones.
 
Well the 19" wider version package from M-Style are over the 1K mark which is a bit out of my budget at the moment. Might do some looking around on Flebay again - found these http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/19-BMW-M3-CSL-STYLE-ALLOY-WHEELS-STAG-TYRES-5x120_W0QQitemZ400082145754QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarParts_Acc_Wheels_tyres_Trims_Car_Rims_ET?hash=item5d26c111da

What do people think?
 
As a general rule, alloys are alloys - up to a point, it's the finish thats usually different (anyone who's had OZ wheels will appreciate it - deliciously made and finished). Even if you start picking up rims which are lighter to reduce the unsprung mass, the effects are pretty academic.

I should imagine you're looking around £125 a corner for those 19's, which only leaves £250 for four tyres. At that price, you may as well fit doughnuts. Cheap tyres are often OK (at best) in the dry, and apalling in the wet. Really really not worth the risk.

I'd keep your runflats and swap them onto some new rims, no point in chucking away decent tyres. Why not go for something like the BBS copies? I think it's a given that anything in the BBS style suits any BMW. Personally I don't get the whole "I want CSL rims" thing. It's not a CSL?!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/18-BBS-CH-STYLE-ALLOY-WHEELS-BMW-1-3-SERIES_W0QQitemZ330400111454QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarParts_Acc_Wheels_tyres_Trims_Car_Rims_ET?hash=item4ced619b5e

You could then put some winter tyres on your old rims for when the weather gets crummy?
 
SLK Driver said:
Personally I don't get the whole "I want CSL rims" thing. It's not a CSL?!
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Don't care. it's not a case of trying to be a 'CSL' - it's the wheel design, it suits the car.

You could call them 'CS's' after all....they are fitted to the M3 CS too.
 
Sounds like a good suggestion but I did see a coupe this morning with the CSL's on, and they looks the pups nuts!!! - (you know how it is, you see something and you wont stop until you have it lol). I was thinking of selling the Ellipsoid's and putting that money towards the new wheels.

What do you recon I would get for a set of unscuffed almost full tread Ellipsoid's?
 
I love em, but I just know the car will ride like arse on 19's, and 18" CSL's don't look as cool :P

They belong on the M3 CSL, but I think they are acceptable on any decent 'same era' BMW.

Dave
 
SLK Driver said:
As a general rule, alloys are alloys - up to a point, it's the finish thats usually different (anyone who's had OZ wheels will appreciate it - deliciously made and finished). Even if you start picking up rims which are lighter to reduce the unsprung mass, the effects are pretty academic.
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Not to mention the method of creating the wheel also has a huge impact on their strength.

You've got drop-forged, cold cast, vacuum cast, machined from billet, etc. - and they do all have different properties.

Forged wheels can be light & strong - my e34 M5 had original M-Parallel forged wheels and in over 100,000 miles it was always the tyre or suspension that needed replacing after incidents with kerbs & potholes, where the 'replica' M-Parallels were cast and had regular reports of buckling & cracking.

Most manufacturers make a huge range of wheels - some manufactured at a set budget and some manufactured without concern for cost - you cannot claim every wheel from the same manufacturer will be of the same quality, or are you saying that a £100 OZ wheel for a chavved up Nova will be more or less the same quality (because of it's 'nice' finish) than a £1000 lightweight racing wheel?
 
It's pretty obvious that for what the chaps paying he's not looking at machined billet wheels (which incidentally you'd never find because they're not strong enough, a CNC'd wheel would cost the earth and wouldn't last five minutes). Like I say, up to a point, in the price bracket he's talking about the alloys are going to be much of a muchness.

I wasn't aware OZ did crap wheels, they are the preferred motorsport choice alongside BBS. But thats why they're more expensive. The point was that if you buy a set of wheels for circa £500 - £800 they're gonna be much the same.
 
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