Has Political correctness gone too far?

MrPT said:
I suspect all this will leave the common consciousness quite quickly now that the dumbf*ck army has arrived.
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The dumbf*ck army was there all along Paul, I was sickened to see the murder of George Floyd but being middle aged white and British, I'm a racist.
I hope the piece of scum cop who murdered him really suffers as I'm sure he will. As soon as his death hit the news, many white, black, brown and yellow dumbf*cks crawled out of the mire to use it as a way to get new trainers, TV's and anything else they required.
The dumbf*cks who started pulling statues down and daubing paint on others in the UK are just lawless c*nts IMHO...but being white and racist, I would say that :|
I have been for jobs in the past and didn't get them, probably because I wasn't the right person or was it because I was white :? I will never know. I just said 'it wasn't meant to be' and moved on with my life.

What would have happened if one or more of the dumbf*cks who toppled that statue into the river, had got caught in the ropes and pulled in to the water (mores the pity) I'm sure the rest of the dumbf*cks would have called on the Police and other rescue services to help them. Then probably tried to blame them for the deaths...because it's never their fault, they are all victims bless em
 
I don’t know at what point it became personal for people in the same demographic as the extremists, but that’s separate matter for those affected to get their heads around.

I meant that when the extremists come out of the woodwork it makes it easier for us “regular folks” to distance ourselves from any underlying issue (whether there is one or not). So I’m guessing that it may all blow over quite quickly now.
 
MrPT said:
I don’t know at what point it became personal for people in the same demographic as the extremists, but that separate matter for those people to get their heads around.

I meant that when these people come out of the weeds it makes it easier for us “regular folks” to distance ourselves from any underlying issue (whether there is one or not).
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Exactly what I meant about the 'middle England' knee jerk - its become polarised to the extent where middle England won't want to deal with extremists at either end of the spectrum so no meaningful discussion/understanding/resolution can take place.
 
Crazy Harry said:
its become polarised to the extent where middle England won't want to deal with extremists at either end of the spectrum so no meaningful discussion/understanding/resolution can take place.
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Political Correctness and the creation of all the "...isms", to which anyone who is prepared to attempt a meaningful conversation is instantly accused of being an "...ist" has created a large silent majority in the centre of the political spectrum. In recent times Virtue Signalling and taking offence on behalf of others with whom the "offended" have absolutely no connection has reinforced Political Correctness. Just look at the flak that JK Rowling is getting for having an opinion.

I think I'm going to identify as a horse and occupy the Centaur ground. :D
 
exdos said:
In recent times Virtue Signalling and taking offence on behalf of others with whom the "offended" have absolutely no connection...
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Well that’s just it isn’t it. If that is a commonly held assumption then we really are f*cked.

I’d even say it’s bordering on hypocritical, given the way people bang on about “I have lots of black friends”, “my white ancestors were subjugated too” etc etc. All very pertinent in a different context, but right now really is about probing any meaningful connection you have to someone in a ethnical minority or historically oppression group and listening very carefully to their recent experiences. Could be a win-win. If they feel there is no problem, that’s the best result we could hope for. If there is one, we can help do something about it.

I really do sympathise with those getting the finger pointed at them, just because they’re a little older and a little whiter (if they really feel that is the case - I am assuming so from the defensive nature of a lot of what I read on here), but it’s a massive waste of time and emotional energy.
 
MrPT said:
I really do sympathise with those getting the finger pointed at them, just because they’re a little older and a little whiter (if they really feel that is the case - I am assuming so from the defensive nature of a lot of what I read on here), but it’s a massive waste of time and emotional energy.
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I understand from listening to the "right on", vociferous, politically-correct virtue signallers that we are labelled as "gammon". I believe we've been known as "honkys" by one particular group for a long time.
 
I identify as a WHOM.
One of the most persecuted groups around.
White Heterosexual Omnivorous Male :D
 
exdos said:
MrPT said:
I really do sympathise with those getting the finger pointed at them, just because they’re a little older and a little whiter (if they really feel that is the case - I am assuming so from the defensive nature of a lot of what I read on here), but it’s a massive waste of time and emotional energy.
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I understand from listening to the "right on", vociferous, politically-correct virtue signallers that we are labelled as "gammon". I believe we've been known as "honkys" by one particular group for a long time.
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If you’re happy to label it virtue signalling then why do you pay attention to it? How much of an inconvenience is it?
 
MrPT said:
If you’re happy to label it virtue signalling then why do you pay attention to it? How much of an inconvenience is it?
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How can grown-up conversations on any of the subjects which are now taboo because of political correctness, take place? It is not an inconvenience it's a travesty of free speech.
 
exdos said:
MrPT said:
If you’re happy to label it virtue signalling then why do you pay attention to it? How much of an inconvenience is it?
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How can grown-up conversations on any of the subjects which are now taboo because of political correctness, take place? It is not an inconvenience it's a travesty of free speech.
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Maybe topple a couple of statues and see if people take notice?
 
exdos said:
MrPT said:
No I’m just baiting, sorry!
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No grown-up conversation from you then...
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Well I can't go on indefinitely and if I find myself baiting it's usually a sign that I've spent too much time thinking about this stuff and should get on with my day. Lots of tangential reading etc.

I do find this kind of discussion interesting and worthwhile, but it is frustrating. In similar conversations with my parents, I might share some of the bad experiences of my black colleagues at work (most of whom come from a very similar background to my own) and they'll end up going to great lengths to assure me that they are not racist. They'll also home in on all of the overt displays of racism/anti-racism that sell newspapers, which gets very tiring to listen to. Never mind it being "grown up"; there isn't even a conversational basis, to speak of!

I find that pretty tough because they are decent people and I see eye-to-eye with them on most things. It isn't like when I was a teenager and could shout at them "you don't understand!!!" with no long-term ill feelings. I'm going on 40 now.
 
exdos wrote:
MrPT wrote:

It is sad really when such an important issue comes down to two people bickering on a car forum about their own personal experiences.

la-de-da-de-da.
 
BeeEmm said:
exdos wrote:
MrPT wrote:

It is sad really when such an important issue comes down to two people bickering on a car forum about their own personal experiences.

la-de-da-de-da.
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Good contribution.
 
So anyways, before Johann Goethe chimed in I was trying to point out that bringing up BLM-related issues in white, middle-class circles (within the same family, even) seems to always stir up a lot of defensiveness and is a conversational dead-end.

Why is this? Do people genuinely think that BLM is about calling middle class white men racists/processed meat? Or is it that the call to action - help us fix the problem, people who might not be affected by it (the so-called "white privilege") - is unjustified?
 
MrPT said:
So anyways, before Johann Goethe chimed in I was trying to point out that bringing up BLM-related issues in white, middle-class circles (within the same family, even) seems to always stir up a lot of defensiveness and is a conversational dead-end.

Why is this? Do people genuinely think that BLM is about calling middle class white men racists/processed meat? Or is it that the call to action - help us fix the problem, people who might not be affected by it (the so-called "white privilege") - is unjustified?
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Because BLM spouts rhetoric like "all white people are racist" not some, or most, literally all, without question are racist. They can fck right off if they expect me to listen to racist opinions like that.
 
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