Evo mag plus other ' sages' seem to make out the boxster s handles like a dream whereas the z4mc is ' a bit of a handful' ie you have to roll you sleeves up , are we agreed ? So does that mean that on track we are struggling against the ' perfect handling ' boxster s. Personally I never even contemplated a porker !
handling issues v boxster s
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On the road, the Porsche is more compliant and easier to drive fast, whereas the BMW needs grabbing by the scruff of the neck.
On the track however, the stiffer/less compliant ride of the BMW makes up for it.
You only have to look at relative performance figures on track, as the BMW is always faster than the Porsche, which is strange considering the Porsche has a better power-to-weight ratio and is supposed to 'handle like a dream'.
On the track however, the stiffer/less compliant ride of the BMW makes up for it.
You only have to look at relative performance figures on track, as the BMW is always faster than the Porsche, which is strange considering the Porsche has a better power-to-weight ratio and is supposed to 'handle like a dream'.
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M cars are designed to be a fun drivers tool. Look at the 1M the M3 and M5 all are tail happy lairy axe murders! They are different cars, have a different construction mid engined vs front engined. You do have to grab the Ms by the scruff of the neck push the nose into the corner and press the loud peddle does this make them slow def not as previously said the Z4M beats the boxter in most track situation.
The Porsche is easier to drive fast infact so much so that they give you too much confidence get in the Z4M afterward you will most likely end up in a hedge. Some love it some hate it, but after test driving both caymen S and boxter S I found them quite boring in comparison to drive, very fast but not as much fun.
Got a 911 to compare my Z4M to and that is a completely different story.
Look at the top gear comparison it sums it up pretty well. Then you will go and buy the M.
The Porsche is easier to drive fast infact so much so that they give you too much confidence get in the Z4M afterward you will most likely end up in a hedge. Some love it some hate it, but after test driving both caymen S and boxter S I found them quite boring in comparison to drive, very fast but not as much fun.
Got a 911 to compare my Z4M to and that is a completely different story.
Look at the top gear comparison it sums it up pretty well. Then you will go and buy the M.
mmm-five has got a lot of track experience so you have to take this as fact. My experience on the test drives I have done have indicated it feels more "planted" but other than that I will just have to find out over the coming weeks.
I always described the M to people like it’s an angry dog to drive but that really part of the reason why it’s a great car. Mrs Paza did not see it like this way and wanted overall a smoother daily drive hence "some" of the reason to change as she drives my car twice a week.
The sport is more aggressive to drive as is the R over the standard Cayman S. For example sits lower, shorter shift and just more finally tuned experience overall and in my view is a different driving experience.
Is it as rough as an M no, that "scruff of the next" experience makes the car what it is. Boring is not a word I would use to describe a my experience with the Cayman SS. The time I felt this was the 997.1 s is was a real disappointment hence why the 911 I will buy one day will be of the rarer pedigree to get the overall experience I desire. But this is of course IMO so therefore time will only tell for a conclusive review.
I always described the M to people like it’s an angry dog to drive but that really part of the reason why it’s a great car. Mrs Paza did not see it like this way and wanted overall a smoother daily drive hence "some" of the reason to change as she drives my car twice a week.
The sport is more aggressive to drive as is the R over the standard Cayman S. For example sits lower, shorter shift and just more finally tuned experience overall and in my view is a different driving experience.
Is it as rough as an M no, that "scruff of the next" experience makes the car what it is. Boring is not a word I would use to describe a my experience with the Cayman SS. The time I felt this was the 997.1 s is was a real disappointment hence why the 911 I will buy one day will be of the rarer pedigree to get the overall experience I desire. But this is of course IMO so therefore time will only tell for a conclusive review.
As Tom says, Top Gear summed it up very well. Z4MR was a handful but worth the efffort and quicker round the track than the Boxster S.
Z4MR was just the better car when Evo mag pitted it against the Boxster S, mainly because it had that 'fun/driver focus' that the Boxster S lacked.
The Z4MC was even more track focussed so was slated by some reviews as being a poor road car due to the stiffer suspension set up IIRC. As a track car it will always be more capable in the right hands than the Boxster S.
Z4MR was just the better car when Evo mag pitted it against the Boxster S, mainly because it had that 'fun/driver focus' that the Boxster S lacked.
The Z4MC was even more track focussed so was slated by some reviews as being a poor road car due to the stiffer suspension set up IIRC. As a track car it will always be more capable in the right hands than the Boxster S.
Yes the Caymen is the better car vs the 997. Any mid engined car will be, but the 997 is much more fun to drive, like the Z4M but the other way round planted at the rear. Never driven another car like the 997 love it, but you learn to love it, very different than other sports cars. The Cayman and Boxter concuction great but far too safe makes normal drivers fantastic drivers. No effort involved. Some see that as a positive some as a negative but in my mind I want to drive it not it drive me.
They are all great cars its just personal choice. The Cayman and boxter will always be in the shadow of the 911. Which is why they will always hamper it, shame really.
They are all great cars its just personal choice. The Cayman and boxter will always be in the shadow of the 911. Which is why they will always hamper it, shame really.
They are different cars, I don't personally think you can compare them as they have been designed with different intentions.
In my experience the M cars are more fun to drive vs a Porsche unless they have the letters GT or R in the name somewhere.
I personally found the 997 to feel old, some people call it character though.
In my experience the M cars are more fun to drive vs a Porsche unless they have the letters GT or R in the name somewhere.
I personally found the 997 to feel old, some people call it character though.
i had a great time with a porsche GTS however a the silverstone centre when i won the pilot supersports!! that car was imo sensation, what a machine, i loved hte light feeling front end that had endless grip!! id LOVE a 4.0l GT3 Rs... thats my ideal car all wrapped up and modded from the factory.... The s54 is just a masterpiece however, genuinely think one day these cars may be realised for what they are, hugely hugely underrated, of course imo.
like i say a properly setup z4m, with proper coil overs setup sensibly (Not for a race track) with quite literally do things you never though possible of your ///M car.
like i say a properly setup z4m, with proper coil overs setup sensibly (Not for a race track) with quite literally do things you never though possible of your ///M car.
Whilst I prefer BMs for a variety of reasons, the Cayman and to a lesser extent the Boxter change direction much more precisely than the Z4M IMO 
e.g. If you want to place the car precisely or change track position mid corner, then the Porsche does this better.
As usual, pretty much down to personal preference...
Most journos review a car for the characteristics they personally prefer, but this often isn't what Mr & Mrs J Public want from their car...
Cheers
Rog
e.g. If you want to place the car precisely or change track position mid corner, then the Porsche does this better.As usual, pretty much down to personal preference...
Most journos review a car for the characteristics they personally prefer, but this often isn't what Mr & Mrs J Public want from their car...
Cheers
Rog
Beedub said:
I'm getting there with my Z4MC
Unless someone has actually been through the process of modding suspension they wouldn't believe how much better their car can handle. It's not actually that expensive to do and when it's done it makes your car feel as though it's a car costing at least twice the price.
I think the journalists missed the point with the Z4MC. It was always intended to be a niche product - BMW only imported 200 to the UK in its first year!
It was designed to be a car for enthusiasts, for people who want to track their car, a bit like a GT Porsche might be. It wasn't supposed to be a brilliant all-rounder.
The Cayman/Boxsters are mainstream models . Very, very competent ones at that, and ARE designed to be brilliant all-rounders.
Comparing a limited-run enthusiasts, track-orientated car versus a mainstream model is a bit silly.
It was designed to be a car for enthusiasts, for people who want to track their car, a bit like a GT Porsche might be. It wasn't supposed to be a brilliant all-rounder.
The Cayman/Boxsters are mainstream models . Very, very competent ones at that, and ARE designed to be brilliant all-rounders.
Comparing a limited-run enthusiasts, track-orientated car versus a mainstream model is a bit silly.
exdos said:Beedub said:
I'm getting there with my Z4MC
Unless someone has actually been through the process of modding suspension they wouldn't believe how much better their car can handle. It's not actually that expensive to do and when it's done it makes your car feel as though it's a car costing at least twice the price.
yes completely agree!! helps if the chassis is good to start with, the stock car is imo great with some alignment changes, ive been so happy with that setup for a long time, actually beat my personal best at curborough recently.....