Handling help

[tiglon]

Not wanting to argue with Brillomaster but do not take it to Kwik-cra....sorry fit...they'll scam you by finding things you don't need, or say you need and fix the issue without actually doing anything. A good indy with a good reputation will reap dividends. Obvs imho and admittedly my experiences with Kwik-monke.....fit....are from other people's experiences that brought issues to me and not from my own......because I wouldn't take a kids pedal bike to them to ask what colour it was.... :lol:

The comments regarding tyres are sound advice, poor quality run flats of differing makes at each end is asking for issues.

I'd consider getting tyres fitted at a Kwik Fit, but that's it and I certainly wouldn't let them do any other work no matter how much they told me it was needed. My other half likes to do stupid things with cars when I'm looking the other way, and nearly handed them lots of money for completely unnecessary and/or overpriced things on her old Mini before I stopped her and sent to the local BMW Indy who quote approximately 70% less for the bits that were needed. The guy she spoke to at KF was the manager and I'm guessing earned a bonus for hitting sales targets.

I would stop short of calling them con-artists, but their way of doing business is not for me.

 

[Jhale10]

Thanks for the advice I’ll let u know what happens. Multi Media screens going up and down while driving now as well .

 

[Busterboo]

Not wanting to argue with Brillomaster but do not take it to Kwik-cra....sorry fit...they'll scam you by finding things you don't need, or say you need and fix the issue without actually doing anything. A good indy with a good reputation will reap dividends. Obvs imho and admittedly my experiences with Kwik-monke.....fit....are from other people's experiences that brought issues to me and not from my own......because I wouldn't take a kids pedal bike to them to ask what colour it was.... :lol:

Please re-read what I wrote, John, and you'll see that I mentioned "Kwik Fit, ATS and whoever" only in the context of Jhale10 buying decent tyres and having his wheels balanced & aligned.

I've used my local Kwik Fit for this purpose for more than 25 years on a Golf GTI Mk2, two Jaguars, a Porsche 911, the 35iS & the wife's cars and Kwik Fit's service has always been very good & fairly priced. (I used Halford's once, when Kwik Fit didn't have tyres for the 911, and they were good, too.)

As for indies, my experience is that they're not all 'little treasures'. Indeed, I have one locally who's so difficult to deal with that I won't buy another of the make he specialises in.

 

[Jhale10]

I guess everyone will have different experiences of a Company especially when they are a national brand. I’ve used Kwik fits mobile/home tyre change service a couple of time and it is pretty good and efficient and well priced. Altho I would probably use a garage with more specialists experience for a more complex issue like the handling problem I have. Thanks for all the help tho it’s appreciated

 

[john-e89]

Not wanting to argue with Brillomaster but do not take it to Kwik-cra....sorry fit...they'll scam you by finding things you don't need, or say you need and fix the issue without actually doing anything. A good indy with a good reputation will reap dividends. Obvs imho and admittedly my experiences with Kwik-monke.....fit....are from other people's experiences that brought issues to me and not from my own......because I wouldn't take a kids pedal bike to them to ask what colour it was.... :lol:

Please re-read what I wrote, John, and you'll see that I mentioned "Kwik Fit, ATS and whoever" only in the context of Jhale10 buying decent tyres and having his wheels balanced & aligned.

I've used my local Kwik Fit for this purpose for more than 25 years on a Golf GTI Mk2, two Jaguars, a Porsche 911, the 35iS & the wife's cars and Kwik Fit's service has always been very good & fairly priced. (I used Halford's once, when Kwik Fit didn't have tyres for the 911, and they were good, too.)

As for indies, my experience is that they're not all 'little treasures'. Indeed, I have one locally who's so difficult to deal with that I won't buy another of the make he specialises in.

I was responding to Brillomaster's comment when he said about bushes and alignment etc, not tyres Buster.

 

[john-e89]

Not wanting to argue with Brillomaster but do not take it to Kwik-cra....sorry fit...they'll scam you by finding things you don't need, or say you need and fix the issue without actually doing anything. A good indy with a good reputation will reap dividends. Obvs imho and admittedly my experiences with Kwik-monke.....fit....are from other people's experiences that brought issues to me and not from my own......because I wouldn't take a kids pedal bike to them to ask what colour it was.... :lol:

Please re-read what I wrote, John, and you'll see that I mentioned "Kwik Fit, ATS and whoever" only in the context of Jhale10 buying decent tyres and having his wheels balanced & aligned.

I've used my local Kwik Fit for this purpose for more than 25 years on a Golf GTI Mk2, two Jaguars, a Porsche 911, the 35iS & the wife's cars and Kwik Fit's service has always been very good & fairly priced. (I used Halford's once, when Kwik Fit didn't have tyres for the 911, and they were good, too.)

As for indies, my experience is that they're not all 'little treasures'. Indeed, I have one locally who's so difficult to deal with that I won't buy another of the make he specialises in.

I was responding to Brillomaster's comment when he said about bushes, alignment and suspension etc, not tyres Buster.

 

[Busterboo]

I was responding to Brillomaster's comment when he said about bushes and alignment etc, not tyres Buster.

Thank you, John. My mistake. I thought you'd re-christened me. :wink:

 

[john-e89]

I was responding to Brillomaster's comment when he said about bushes and alignment etc, not tyres Buster.

Thank you, John. My mistake. I thought you'd re-christened me. :wink:

Seems there's still a few glitches when quoting here at times. :?

 

[Nanu]

As previously pointed out, you need decent tyres and the same make all round regardless of any other issue. So would suggest you do that first before spending anything more looking for a problem that may no longer exist once the tyres are changed.

 

[Pondy]

the car seems to be trying to kill me at high speed over 70mph the rear of the car sways left to right and feels dangerous,

If this is true (without exaggeration) it isn't the tyres.
Without wishing to be controversial; cheap rear tyres, run flat or not, would not make a car dangerous on a motorway at high speed.
Having the same make of tyre on individual axles is perfectly legal and acceptable (it's also legal to have each corner different, although not acceptable IMHO).
Spending £500-700 changing all four tyres for 'decent' non-runflats is not going to fix the issue of a car "swaying from side to side".
It is something else.
It could be one of a myriad of things (from worn bushes to a broken spring to a knackered shock to a binding brake or something else) but it ain't the tyres.

On a cold, damp, dank February day in the UK, there is not a road tyre made (not even the holy grail Michelin PS4S) that will be anywhere near good.

 

[Busterboo]

the car seems to be trying to kill me at high speed over 70mph the rear of the car sways left to right and feels dangerous,

If this is true (without exaggeration) it isn't the tyres.
Without wishing to be controversial; cheap rear tyres, run flat or not, would not make a car dangerous on a motorway at high speed.

I agree with the rest of your post, Pondrew, but I remember clearly thinking I'd made a mistake buying an E89 when it tramlined quite violently at n mph on a quiet motorway late at night. Unlike Jhale10, I didn't think it was trying to kill me, but, sure as eggs is eggs, it didn't feel safe or right. Happily, I didn't sell it, but found the dump-the-Goodyear-runflats solution, thanks to the Forum.

That was more than 5 years ago and, by all accounts, runflats have improved a lot since then. The trouble is, though, that trying them is a £700+ gamble, when I know that 'normal' Pirelli P Zero XL work very well.

 

[mcbutler]

Interesting. ESP Cutts in all the time on corners when driving quicker as well but the weather is abit damp in the Uk so hard to tell if this is normal at the moment

That is not normal at all if you are driving normally and not trying to drift it round the corners lol
Out of interest have you tried recreating the problem with ESP off and comparing it to ESP on?
If you have an esp snag it might be applying one rear brake gebtly for no reason or something weird like that.

 

[B21]

Interesting. ESP Cutts in all the time on corners when driving quicker as well but the weather is abit damp in the Uk so hard to tell if this is normal at the moment

That is not normal at all if you are driving normally and not trying to drift it round the corners lol
Out of interest have you tried recreating the problem with ESP off and comparing it to ESP on?
If you have an esp snag it might be applying one rear brake gebtly for no reason or something weird like that.

Excessive DSC triggering is almost always a function of mismatched wheels/tyres in some form or other form of slippage of the wheels

 

[Chippie]

Years ago I had an old escort van that also had a death wish, when I fitted some new tyres it drove perfectly, so a misshaped tyre could be causing an issue, i’d get it booked in at either Kwik fit or similar and let them give it a look over and check the tracking

 

[enuff_zed]

Here's another vote for tyres!
Until you remove them from the equation you will be wasting money chasing a problem that may not exist.
I agree it's an expensive trial, but borrowing a set from someone isn't unfeasible.
Try that before you go off on a wild goose chase.

 

[Jhale10]

Swapping the rears out would be great, anybody live near Bristol UK

 

[tiglon]

To be honest, trying to diagnose over the Internet is pretty much impossible, with very subjective descriptions of the issue.

Driving "quicker" around a corner means a very different thing depending on who says it. As does "the car is trying to kill me". "Speeds over 70mph" could mean 71... or 125.

A decent condition set of runflats will not try to kill you. A decent condition set of budget tyres will not try to kill you. Mismatched budget and runflat tyres in poor condition? I'd get rid of them.

Most of my driving life has been buying ebay bargain cars that invariably come with mismatched budget tyres in poor condition. On anything rear wheel drive, that can feel scary as hell, and is fixed by putting on a set of new midrange tyres - sorry Pondrew, but they did transform the cars! You don't need to go and put ultra high performance tyres on a Z4, something like a yokohama or toyo will be fine.

 

[Jhale10]

I agree it’s all just suggestions. I was just keen to see if anybody else in the community had experienced similar and if this is a common characteristic of the car. It’s booked in at a garage now so will let u know the outcome, hopefully not an expensive one

 

[tiglon]

Will be interesting to see what the verdict is, good luck!

 

[B21]

I agree it’s all just suggestions. I was just keen to see if anybody else in the community had experienced similar and if this is a common characteristic of the car. It’s booked in at a garage now so will let u know the outcome, hopefully not an expensive one

E89s have a long history of reliable and safe handling, even with shot dampers, broken springs, steering and suspension bushes and bearings don't really wear out...as others have said doing a diagnosis with precious little info or context is hard work..