had chance to crawl all over a 918 spyder this morning..PICS
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Great photos Beedub, the reviewer said it all to me, as a day to day car the 918 has it for me, love the understated looks but oh my it a wizard. But if you are rich enough to afford just the one car you want something that excites you and is full of emotion and that is again as quoted, the drivers car is the P1....just look at his face as he gets out.
As for there being a winner at Laguna, I don't really care, there will be tracks that suit the Mclaren and tracks that will suit the Porsche.
As for there being a winner at Laguna, I don't really care, there will be tracks that suit the Mclaren and tracks that will suit the Porsche.
Right Beedub serious question, i'm not trying to provoke or be silly but what is the point of this car and those of it's ilk, as much as I would love a 458 or the new replacement 488, I have been asking myself if I would buy one if I could afford one, the point being you simply cannot use them on uk roads to anywhere near their ability and that to my mind would be so incredibly frustrating, personally I would want to rag them to get the dynamics out of them and it's not possible. My previous M roady and current 35is have too much really and being totally honest I probably had more fun out of my 5 MR2's than the zed's as I could drive the Toyota's on the rev limit and not be doing senseless speeds.
Be interested to hear you're or anyone else's views, agree or disagree.
Be interested to hear you're or anyone else's views, agree or disagree.
john-e89 said:
I can see your point John. I feel a bit like that these days.Though I think the sort of person who can afford this car is the sort of person who'll have it shipped across Europe to various track days on famous tracks like Monza, Spa etc. Thats where they will enjoy their car. That's one reason why I've started to do some track days. You finally get a chance to properly enjoy your car in a safe, controlled environment.
For me, if it was being used regularly, in more mundane settings, it would have to be a 918 out of the big three, but most of these aren't used for that, so it would have to have more 'drama' (visual as well as visceral) than the 918 musters. I'd be wavering over a P1 versus La Ferrari.
john-e89 said:
no no good point really, personally if i had enough money to own a car like this id NEVER take it the freaking gym, a car ike this the wrong people will kill you and your family for..... id keep it only for track use and shows and would be very careful about who saw it and and knew i had it, owning a car like that is stress, you should have heard some of the wannabe hero's i train with talking about how him with sheer jealousy and content.... yet for me i found the guy inspiring and the car was just a joy to see and appreciate , it made me feel like... yeah this is a possibility if business grows and grows....
but in reality I've ALWAYS said to myself the most id ever spend on a car is 125k ( if i can ever spend a insane amount on a car) ....when / if that time costs thats as far as it goes id rather spend the rest on my home / family / holidays / LIFE.
But to answer the question i just appreciated the 918 for all its glory, would i want to actually own one??? honestly hand on heart, i don't think i want the s**t that comes with it, as I've got older and grown on this very forum, I've learned low key is the way i prefer to do things.
sars said:john-e89, I find your question from someone who owns a 35is to be highly amusing, because for the reason why, is for exactly the same reason that you purchased the 35is instead of a much cheaper 1.8
and thank goodness too
I thought this might crop up and good point Sars, i'll explain. I used to use the MR2's pretty hard at times, you have to as there's not much torque in them and as I got older i got fed up having to work them so much hence the 3 zeds I've had, i bought 3litre zeds for the low down easy to use grunt they have, and not for thrashing. Last year i was in a massive shunt, got hit from the side at approx. 80-90mph, destroyed my E85 3.si and it has really knocked my duck off tbh so i rarely go 'fast road' now, might get my balls back at some point but they're not there yet, but the reason i got the 35is rather than a lower output car was simply i wanted the DCT, arguments for and against that is for another time, and if i ever need/want to sell and move on down the line then i figured rare 35is's would sell quite easily and maybe hold their price a bit better than, say a 2.0i, the low down torque of a straight 6 is addictive, and lastly, and the point of my question to Beedub, is that an E89 simply cannot be driven like a boxster, it doesn't feel nearly as planted, so the very nature of them means i can cruise easily and not feel the need to rag it, which is what i wanted. Hope that makes sense, i suffer from the inability to say what i mean on a keyboard! Should you read this and want to comment, either for or against, i would be happy to hear your thoughts.
Thanks for the replies OG and Beedub, interesting comments.
john-e89 said:
Honestly - I don't think any petrolhead who can *truly* readily afford one of these would have not using it to it's full abilities on the road on their list of reasons not to buy one. It's not about having enough to buy one, it's about having enough to buy one and still being 'wealthy'.
Think about it, someone who can afford $800k of car, and the associated costs of running and insuring such a thing (which I'd guess each is a 5 figure sum on its own), isn't going to need to have it as their only car. They're likely to have a very large space for cars where they have a couple of sporty numbers and something more sedate. Some people get the buzz from having something made out of unobtanium which is reason enough to have one, the looks you'd get, the feel you'd get starting her up etc is something you can't resolve with 'but I'll have more fun in a mazda'. Then, when you do want to get the most out of it, off to carve up a track.
I can't say I'd never own one, if life puts me in the position where something like this was affordable I'd be in it tomorrow. Whilst I'm not sure I'd be parking it up in a gym car park, I'd sure as hell be cruising around in it. It might attract negative attention - but the likelyhood of it being stolen is lower than a lot of cars, you wouldn't be able to do much with it.
I know what you're saying it being just really a pose mobile and for the odd track outing for the mega wealthy Jaw and that's fine, I suppose, as the manufacturer's don't really care what they get used for once they're sold, but these are not mass produced, use for anything cars, they we're built for one thing only, and maybe it's just me but no matter how wealthy I would want to drive these things in the nature that they we're built as they are so capable, not just potter around the block in 2nd gear, and if the solution is a track, then there are quicker, much cheaper, better handling track cars available. I can admire them for what they are, but I still don't see the point of them.
As an exercise in showing what can be done then fine, I'm all for that and sticking two fingers up to conventionality,and if that's what these cars are for then I hav'nt an argument I suppose.
As an exercise in showing what can be done then fine, I'm all for that and sticking two fingers up to conventionality,and if that's what these cars are for then I hav'nt an argument I suppose.
Lovely car but I'd go for the P1. It's design is an incredible sculpture I could look at forever.
All three of these hyper cars are technically awesome but looks win it for me.
I've spent some time in the P1, although not moving, and it's fit and finish was astounding too. I think it's the same impression you got of the Porsche, you don't understand the quality until you get close to it.
I've also seen the Veneno up close, and it's awesome in a bat crap crazy way but it was very much a hand built car borrowing bits from a Murcielago., although admittedly it was the prototype, not a customer car.
Weirdly the car that felt most usable was a Koenigsegg Agera, it's interior was nice but not so precious feeling that it's so far removed from everyday cars that you're used to. The Pagani Zonda though just feels like it should be in a museum, never getting a speck of dirt on it.
All three of these hyper cars are technically awesome but looks win it for me.
I've spent some time in the P1, although not moving, and it's fit and finish was astounding too. I think it's the same impression you got of the Porsche, you don't understand the quality until you get close to it.
I've also seen the Veneno up close, and it's awesome in a bat crap crazy way but it was very much a hand built car borrowing bits from a Murcielago., although admittedly it was the prototype, not a customer car.
Weirdly the car that felt most usable was a Koenigsegg Agera, it's interior was nice but not so precious feeling that it's so far removed from everyday cars that you're used to. The Pagani Zonda though just feels like it should be in a museum, never getting a speck of dirt on it.
