Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperSport?
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Another tyre thread, this means that the usual members will give their usual preference and why you shouldn't and what you should buy. I'm of the opinion that if you read the collated test reviews on https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Goodyear/Eagle-F1-SuperSport.htm and decide if the subjective pro/cons are what you want from that tyre give them a go and report back. 
For me the important qualities are wet grip, comfort, noise and rolling resistance, therefore list the qualities that are important to you and decide on the tyre that best meets those requirements.
For me the important qualities are wet grip, comfort, noise and rolling resistance, therefore list the qualities that are important to you and decide on the tyre that best meets those requirements.
Across various car forums I have been on these are usually a solid 8/10 tyre
For the tyre review site above I wouldn't pay much attention to the blue bars as the data (as I remember) is based on individuals reviews and if you read the reviews the cars range from minis to SUVs to anything which will have a different impact on the tyre use and performance. Do read the comparison tests though where they are done side by side like for like by professional testers.
For the tyre review site above I wouldn't pay much attention to the blue bars as the data (as I remember) is based on individuals reviews and if you read the reviews the cars range from minis to SUVs to anything which will have a different impact on the tyre use and performance. Do read the comparison tests though where they are done side by side like for like by professional testers.
Agree with the common sense sentiments as above - just go take a look at the tyre reviews site. They give a good comparison between all the front runners, and you can make your own judgement based on the variables that matter most to you.
Remember to throw price & availability in there also - not everything is available in our tire sizes & some of what looks like popular are just not being offered by resellers in all areas.
I went pilot sport 4 S on mine, but that was my preference (doesn't make it the best).
Remember to throw price & availability in there also - not everything is available in our tire sizes & some of what looks like popular are just not being offered by resellers in all areas.
I went pilot sport 4 S on mine, but that was my preference (doesn't make it the best).
Arguably the worst tyre you could choose
Great on a dry track pretty horrible in the wet
Great on a dry track pretty horrible in the wet
flybobbie said:
None of my rear tyres on a Z4 have seen close to 10k
Vredstein Ultrac Vorti (+) is the tyre of choice on mine, and do all the good things like longevity, grip, economy and sidewall sex appeal - Or MPS5 if you're a track-day monster, which most of us aren't but seem to be fitted on everything from high powered supercars to estate Skodas with booster seats in the back. Because internet.
Busterboo said:Really? I mean 'Really'? :?Argyll Andy said:None of my rear tyres on a Z4 have seen close to 10k
Pirelli P Zero last me 20k+.
Yip, Really, I don’t do doughnuts, launches etc, but it is driven hard and fast, mostly on forum runs or trips away. No commuting, trips to shops and nearest dual carriageway is 70 miles away so car is either driven on Highland A/B roads or Euro trips like Pyrenees where it was driven hard every day.
Car just traded in with just under 26k on it and fourth set of rears and second set of fronts. Was late going to pick up new car last week and had a very quick run to dealers, it definitely needs new rears again, it was more than lively on its last trip with me.
Conti’s by FAR the best tyre but the wear rate was AWFUL, if money was no option they’d go on every time but I stuck a set on a few days before I left for the Pyrenees and then had a forum run a few weeks after I came home. Can’t remember if they needed replaced before the forum run or straight after it but they only lasted 4-5k when I got the next set I asked them to measure them before they were fitted, 6.8mm is the starting tread, anything under 3mm can have your @rse squeaking so really 4mm useable tread max.
As far as I’m concerned they are what’s keeping me in contact with the tarmac, the stickier the better and the additional heat by being in Europe in the summer is only going to lead to one thing, very quick wear rate. There was an Z3M and a heavily modded 35iS on the trip, they both had recently fitted rears and both needed replacement rears as well when they came home. Z3M was running Goodyears and the 35iS Conti’s
The only tyres I've run that wear out as low as 10k miles were Pirelli P Zero Rosso, designed for the Porsche 911. Soft & fat, they began to deteriorate at 8k. Otherwise, it's 20k+ on P Zero Nero, which I drive at BMW's maximum recommended pressures - 36 & 44psi - to keep maximum tyre surface on the tarmac.
I either need to vastly slow down or you guys need to use more of your car’s potential 
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The latest Continental Sports 7s are winning most of the professional comparison tests nowadays done on rear wheel drive performance cars.
Tyres are always a toss up between price and performance, its a pretty linear scale comparing one to the other
If you pootle about town most of the time and have no intention of a track day, do you need Conti Sports 7s (which are shown to perform well on tracks rather than pot holed roads) or would something further down the price range suffice.
Oh and just as a heads up, for that tyre review site, they dont know how to use illustrative charts to properly show data. In fact, its dreadful and shows they have no statistical knowledge at all for example the charts here https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2022-Tyre-Reviews-UHP-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm
Tyres are always a toss up between price and performance, its a pretty linear scale comparing one to the other
If you pootle about town most of the time and have no intention of a track day, do you need Conti Sports 7s (which are shown to perform well on tracks rather than pot holed roads) or would something further down the price range suffice.
Oh and just as a heads up, for that tyre review site, they dont know how to use illustrative charts to properly show data. In fact, its dreadful and shows they have no statistical knowledge at all for example the charts here https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2022-Tyre-Reviews-UHP-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm
Supersports, PS5s and CSC7s arent track tyres, they're UHP road tyres. As good as these road tyres are, they're not designed for the sustained high temperatures of track driving and wouldn't last a full trackday.
Conversely a dedicated track tyre such as Direzza DZ03G or Nankang AR-1 will be borderline dangerous on a wet road.
The majority of drivers don't drive hard enough to get close to the limits of top-tier UHP tyres (although you might if you regularly attend forum driving tours
) A decent mid-range option such as Ultrac Vorti is more than capable for most people's needs.
Conversely a dedicated track tyre such as Direzza DZ03G or Nankang AR-1 will be borderline dangerous on a wet road.
The majority of drivers don't drive hard enough to get close to the limits of top-tier UHP tyres (although you might if you regularly attend forum driving tours
) A decent mid-range option such as Ultrac Vorti is more than capable for most people's needs.plenty said:
Yes when I mentioned track days, it was more for someone wanting to take their road car on a track for the day. Rather than a dedicated track car which of course you would have dedicated track tyres for.
The side by side comparisons you see on websites are road tyres being tested on tracks, rather than tested on the road where they will never build up the level of grip/heat they would on track. So the reviews are telling you how a road tyre performs on track, rather than how a road tyre performs on the road.
From your referenced article, with the multicoloured bar charts, I'm interested to know how you would display the data such that it is easily understood by a layperson and not out for peer revue!coldel said:
What I like about the tests he does and the results, per your exampled, is that they are as close to a scientific test as commercially practicable and to test them they need to be used on a consistent surface, usually a test track. Whilst you state that these are track tests, this is agreed, however these tests types such as wet braking etcetera are relative and transfer well to road use. Doing these tests on a public road would be impractical and with the state of public roads, inconsistent. Yes these tests could be more accurate by increasing the number of test car types, plus more drivers, and with a longer test duration to promote more tyre wear data. Unfortunately, that costs significantly more money and not commercially viable unless commissioned by a tyre manufacturer which then can promote bias.
sars said:
FWIW I agree 100%!
I think he's probably the most authorative tester of road tyres with a vast body of experience snd skill..his verbal explanations are very good and clear.
Certainly for the tyres I've used that he's tested I've never disagreed with his views..albeit I'm not drifting cars in a way he does..
Yes most folks never stretch the envelope of their cars or tyres capablities..but if you are caught out or things go wrong for whatever reason then the reserves of grip and the predicability of response and feedback could make the difference between either a small prang / big accident and nothing at all..
If the OP isn't in a world of tyres lasting less tham 10k miles the GY Eagle F1 SS is defintely not his tyre.in the wet there are much much better tyres..and they don't need to be expensive.
In terms of the charts, because the scale is not starting from zero it exacerbates the differences. Your brain will automatically use the visual of the bars to compare, so if one looks ten times longer than the other, it takes ten times longer to do something. The point of charting is to help display data in a way it is more understandable and comparable, but by cutting the scale they change the comparison.
Here is the first chart on the website showing what looks like significant differences between the brands
Here is the actual data fully visualised with a full scale, does that now change your perception of how different the brands performance is
They do this throughout their entire website. The funny thing is if you put the data into Excel and just auto chart, it replicates exactly what they have on their website. So what they are doing is pumping data in and just copy pasting without understanding firstly WHAT charts are actually for and secondly WHY they are doing what they are doing.
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Here is the first chart on the website showing what looks like significant differences between the brands
Here is the actual data fully visualised with a full scale, does that now change your perception of how different the brands performance is
They do this throughout their entire website. The funny thing is if you put the data into Excel and just auto chart, it replicates exactly what they have on their website. So what they are doing is pumping data in and just copy pasting without understanding firstly WHAT charts are actually for and secondly WHY they are doing what they are doing.
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