Goodbye Z4 - it's been emotional

120d is a great car - but it sounds like a cash flow financial decision, rather than overall.

Anyone here driven the 123d? Supposed to be fantastic.
 
The 23d engine is what Alpina use in their D3 and they are pushing out 197BHP out of it, and the torque on that thing! :evil:
 
I was putting in £55 a week in petrol - and I did 100 miles of non commuting out of that tank. A same tank of diesel will last me for 300 non commuting miles a wekk, or in otherwords about twice as long as a current tank of fuel.
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So if I read that right, you were getting 150 miles for a £55 tank in your 2.5? Have you tried 4th, 5th , 6th (?) gear? ;)

I'm surprised because I get far more than that out of mine...16-18MPG in town if driving aggressively, 26-28MPG on the motorway...

1 Series is a good car though, feels much more grown up than it is to drive.
 
Andy said:
Good luck with the 1, it's a good car. I think you'd be lucky to get 60+ tho. Come back & let us know what you think in a month or so.
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I used to get just over 60MPG out of a 2002 E46 3 series 2.0TD Compact, but no short journeys though and lots of motorways.

If the guy gets it remapped bear in mind it probably will afffect fuel economy adversly, which kinda beats removes some of the advantage to moving to the 1 series die
sel from the Z.

Still not a big fan of diesels, think I'd go for a 118i personally. Modern diesels are built more for performance, my old 3 series broke down a few times (including blown turbo at something like 50000) miles which would have vost £1200 if it wasn't still under warranty. Although I'm sure they are more reliable now.
 
mikedav said:
I was putting in £55 a week in petrol - and I did 100 miles of non commuting out of that tank. A same tank of diesel will last me for 300 non commuting miles a wekk, or in otherwords about twice as long as a current tank of fuel.
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So if I read that right, you were getting 150 miles for a £55 tank in your 2.5? Have you tried 4th, 5th , 6th (?) gear? ;)

I'm surprised because I get far more than that out of mine...16-18MPG in town if driving aggressively, 26-28MPG on the motorway...

1 Series is a good car though, feels much more grown up than it is to drive.
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at least 250 miles in my 3.0 Si and all that is country roads... something wrong with that 2.5!
 
mikedav said:
I was putting in £55 a week in petrol - and I did 100 miles of non commuting out of that tank. A same tank of diesel will last me for 300 non commuting miles a wekk, or in otherwords about twice as long as a current tank of fuel.
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So if I read that right, you were getting 150 miles for a £55 tank in your 2.5? Have you tried 4th, 5th , 6th (?) gear? ;)

I'm surprised because I get far more than that out of mine...16-18MPG in town if driving aggressively, 26-28MPG on the motorway...

1 Series is a good car though, feels much more grown up than it is to drive.
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Uhhh no - commute varies slightly, from 18 miles round trip to 52 miles depends which office I have to go to - but I would say I do 160-180 miles of commuting a week as I try to work from home one day at least - and I get around 275-285 a tank (I put £52 quid in just after the light comes on)

So there's the way it all adds up lol
 
csmith319 said:
mikedav said:
I was putting in £55 a week in petrol - and I did 100 miles of non commuting out of that tank. A same tank of diesel will last me for 300 non commuting miles a wekk, or in otherwords about twice as long as a current tank of fuel.
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So if I read that right, you were getting 150 miles for a £55 tank in your 2.5? Have you tried 4th, 5th , 6th (?) gear? ;)

I'm surprised because I get far more than that out of mine...16-18MPG in town if driving aggressively, 26-28MPG on the motorway...

1 Series is a good car though, feels much more grown up than it is to drive.
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at least 250 miles in my 3.0 Si and all that is country roads... something wrong with that 2.5!
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See based off the misunderstanding above I can clarify there's nothing wrong with the car, but with the understanding of the figures :lol:

I get 275-280 miles out of a tank.
 
On my 2.5 I have hit as low as 19! Managing mostly 27ish. I have another theory, you may want to look away now...

Giving it the full beans or stuck in stop start traffic I would expect the 2.5 to be slightly better than the 3.0. However, when you look at partial beans, a lot of my driving, you see the difference. Partial beans is when you have a nice stretch of clear road and want to make brisk progress, but not go mental. The 3.0 would need less throttle than the 2.5 to make the same progress, which due to the gearbox would possibly be running slightly higher RPM too. I believe it's this partial beans(middle ground) where the 2.5 loses MPG to the 3.0.
 
speedski said:
See based off the misunderstanding above I can clarify there's nothing wrong with the car, but with the understanding of the figures :lol:

I get 275-280 miles out of a tank.
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but you said...

A tank of diesel will last me for 300 non commuting miles a wekk, or in otherwords about twice as long as a current tank of fuel.
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300 = 2 x 150. Hence why I thought you were getting 150 per tank ...

But either way, doesn't matter!
 
Sorry to hear you're giving up the Z but at least you had one and maybe will again.

I hope you enjoy the 120 but I'm afraid I'm going to buck the trend here and say mine was probabaly the most disappointing car I've ever bought - yes, worse than that Vauxhall Viva!

Ride is appalling, bouncy and unstable, esp on M ways. Euforia's are borderline dangerous IMO, esp in the wet. Rear seats useless other than for small children. Lots of trim broke or fell off which was too complicated for the stealer to fix apparently, and the final straw was when I complained about paint coming off they gave me a quote to repair it. Best I got was 42mpg and a friend's 140 tdi Golf felt quicker. Got rid after a year.

Rant over. Sorry about that :) I hope yours proves me wrong but I'd say give it a good look over when you get it.
 
I think you can get more on your Z4 if you wait until May/June. I bought my Z4 in February last year, when the price was so low. Then the used prices went up in late spring, the similar cars were at least £2k more.

The latest 120d has average of 58 mpg. It should save you a lot on fuel bill. My 2.5i is doing 30 mpg in winter, and 33 mpg in summer.
 
speedski said:
pvr said:
How much discount on the new one though? I trust they were independent transactions as otherwise you would have gotten even less for the Z.
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Hefty discount, priced its specification up against a new one if I was buying it now - its £10,250 off list - it was registered in March 2009 so manu warranty till March 2012. It was done as a package, turns out there was a bundle put together but I am ok with it...

Dreamer said:
3 years is a good run for a 2 seater really :)

Just be glad you did it, as you say the prices we have to pay for running cars like these are quite overbearing now.
A V8 or such would be an absolutey insane purchase in this day but having had the experience done while you can is a great thing. Take some nice pictures of it before it goes and keep the memories :thumbsup:
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Absolutely - great post, thanks.

Spud said:
You're complaining about the cost of it yet have paid a small fortune, presumably, to trade up to a near-new 120d. The tyres are still expensive, it's not amazingly cheap to insure, and you'll save maybe £100 a year on tax and a few quid a week on fuel.

When compared against the depreciation rate which will hike on a new car rather than an older one which is depreciating at a much slower % rate, well, you're mad! :rofl:
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Insurance has dropped by 30% (which is significant), Road Tax is almost halved from £215 to £120 - and from April 2010 the difference will grow even more to £245 to £90.

I was putting in £55 a week in petrol - and I did 100 miles of non commuting out of that tank. A same tank of diesel will last me for 300 non commuting miles a wekk, or in otherwords about twice as long as a current tank of fuel. I have done 30,000 miles in the Z in the 3 years I have owned it, at a very conservative 280 miles per tank (on avg) it means i have filled it over 107 times - that nearly £6k in petrol alone before i even talk depreciation.

Finally I like the security of a warranty - I have been lucky and had one on all the cars I've had - apart from my first car (which I got 22% of list) I have always bought nearly new ex demos where most of the depreciation hit has gone already.

I know I am mad, I know sometimes the justifications may not add up, but in my head they kinda do and I know that I have more security in motoring costs over the next three years than the Z could offer me (even though mine was press/launch dealer car and has had, touch wood (*slaps head*) no problems up to now...

calletson said:
Sorry its gone! :(

Seems a bit strange you can't afford a bit of petrol but can splash out on a nearly new car??? :?

The MPG you stated is really low! Did it have any problems? My 3.0 will do 26mpg in stop start traffic on my 10 mile round trip to work!

Definatley get the 120d mapped however!!!
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Its not so much about the petrol costs, its about the fact that its a different car, more practical and less restrictive. If it gets to the point where you go in the other half golf TDI where possible because the Z is either not practical or too thirsty you know that times they need to change. The Z's my main car, its the only option I have for getting to work and its just become a bit too much to justify...if I could afford the insurance for two cars for myself I would keep it, but its pointless keeping it for a sunny day and paying big numbers to insure it for the rainy days...

Are you going by 26 on the display or by a calculation? I have a completely stop start morning and rush hour night drive home - it usually takes aroun 40 minutes and its not THAT far. 19 may be a bit bad of me to say it is better than that at times...

Andy said:
Good luck with the 1, it's a good car. I think you'd be lucky to get 60+ tho. Come back & let us know what you think in a month or so.
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I will of course - i don't think I will get 60 either, but then again, I can't be worse in comparison with what I have now... and when its 177BHP vs 194BHP and 7.3 vs 6.8 to 60 its not THAT much different but should cost less.
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You're looking at numbers in completely the wrong way. You can't look at the pure cost of £6k in petrol. What would the same amount of travel cost in the 120d? Considering typical MPGs are 30 vs 45 it'll have still cost you many thousands.

And the fact you're even thinking about a saving of a couple of hundred on insurance a couple of hundred in road tax when you'll lose that in extra depreciation within a couple of months is absolutely ludicrous!

Next time you fancy doing some of this with your money - :fuelfire: - I'll PM you with my address!

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You need to stop looking soley at money being the reason.

I'm not, otherwise you would be absolutely right, I would be crazy to do it.

I said this int he bit you quoted...

Its not so much about the petrol costs, its about the fact that its a different car, more practical and less restrictive. If it gets to the point where you go in the other half golf TDI where possible because the Z is either not practical or too thirsty you know that times they need to change. The Z's my main car, its the only option I have for getting to work and its just become a bit too much to justify...if I could afford the insurance for two cars for myself I would keep it, but its pointless keeping it for a sunny day and paying big numbers to insure it for the rainy days...


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Speedski

I understand your thinking, it is a combination of factors. I changed my Z4MC to a 123D a few months ago and am very happy.

http://www.z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14061

Good luck with the new motor :)
 
This is one reason why I keep thinking about an M3, as I could use it at weekends with the family (5 year old twins), the Z4 get used for work and not a lot else at present unless I'm on my own or it's just me and the Mrs which isnt that often.

But my wife like the Z4 and thinks an M3 is boring, she is going on looks alone and sees it as a backwards step as I have already owned a 3 series coupe and to a layman they dont look to different.
 
MarkW said:
Speedski

I understand your thinking, it is a combination of factors. I changed my Z4MC to a 123D a few months ago and am very happy.

http://www.z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14061

Good luck with the new motor :)
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Mark, you clearly do, I couldn't have said it any better than you have in this other thread...

'I've had high performance cars for the last 10 years and enjoyed them immenseley, but I've got to the point where I resent the high costs in running such cars (plus I have a bad back), and most of my driving is for necessity not pleasure.'
 
Well...

It's gone, it was a sad Saturday, with all the reasons why I loved the car sitting at the forefront of my mind I have to admit it was a really sad goodbye...I took it for a major blast through the countryside on the last morning - that was probably the WORST thing i could have done, as it reminded me of all the good times...

Then I looked at the fuel gauge and remembered one of the problems, so far i have filled up the 120d once, 527 miles to next refill, and it was filled with the same number of liters as the Z4 took..the ride is much more comfortable too - the other half certainly likes it more and if she's happy, my ears are happy :)

Photos to follow...
 
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