General Election 2015
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z4pilot said:
Brilliantly put, it's also something that gets on my nerves. Working class/middle class blah blah. What does it even mean? How is it defined? Surely all that crap died in Oliver Twists era. I hate how you have to be labeled one or the other. I don't consider myself as either! Im just a modern working human being with a family. All this talk of working class, surely your just either someone who goes to work or someone that doesn't?
The Liberal Democrats will have a lot to answer for if Labour win the most seats with a smaller share of the votes. They vetoed the changes to constituency boundaries that would produce a level playing field in a cynical response to Conservative objections to a fully elected House of Lords. They may well regret that when Milliband and Sturgeon/Salmond are PM/Deputy PM.
Coalition is bad for the country but we'll have to live with them I think as the political landscape is changing and the main parties are losing support because of their failure to adapt to voter changes. Alliances will be formed between parties that share similar philosophical beliefs. As an example either pro-austerity or anti-austerity.
I personally believe that the Conservative party will attempt to govern with a minority. They will soldier on for as long as possible but will call a snap general election when the SNP/Labour start playing games. This could be electoral suicide for Labour.
I personally wanted Scotland to vote "Yes" and I still want England to go it alone. We don't share the same beliefs as Wales or Scotland politically and I consider myself English not British.
Coalition is bad for the country but we'll have to live with them I think as the political landscape is changing and the main parties are losing support because of their failure to adapt to voter changes. Alliances will be formed between parties that share similar philosophical beliefs. As an example either pro-austerity or anti-austerity.
I personally believe that the Conservative party will attempt to govern with a minority. They will soldier on for as long as possible but will call a snap general election when the SNP/Labour start playing games. This could be electoral suicide for Labour.
I personally wanted Scotland to vote "Yes" and I still want England to go it alone. We don't share the same beliefs as Wales or Scotland politically and I consider myself English not British.
Living in Scotland I always find it hillarious that before I was born they tested out the 'poll tax' something that effected my parents but not me but due to that a large amount of people my age and younger vote Labour over this issue, not because they think their policies are for them but because they've been told not to vote Tory.
Then you have the people who are part of trade unions and feel that in order to get what they want no matter if it's deserved or not choose to strike, gaining no or little support from the public who possibly earn less, possibly no longer have final pension schemes etc and these people usually vote labour as other parties don't pander to them.
Needless to say as a scot I'm voting Tory, I think they've done a good job so far and I'd hate to see us digress back. I listen to the drivel from the lot of them but I'm always concerned by where labour are going to get the money from to fund all their promises, where these 'Jobs' for young people are going to come from as they can't create them. How they want to tax people to the hilt especially on their homes but then say we will make sure that your granny who bought a house 50 years ago for £1000 and today it's worth £3mill won't be effected. Aye right! I always hear about childcare help, never anything about cutting benefits from them. My parents never got childcare cost help, if you choose to have children you should be prepared that they cost money and need a lot of looking after.
I get the feeling that the Labour Party don't like to see people do well. Everyone gets opportunities in life and some take them and others squander them and I don't want to keep paying for the latter!
Then you have the people who are part of trade unions and feel that in order to get what they want no matter if it's deserved or not choose to strike, gaining no or little support from the public who possibly earn less, possibly no longer have final pension schemes etc and these people usually vote labour as other parties don't pander to them.
Needless to say as a scot I'm voting Tory, I think they've done a good job so far and I'd hate to see us digress back. I listen to the drivel from the lot of them but I'm always concerned by where labour are going to get the money from to fund all their promises, where these 'Jobs' for young people are going to come from as they can't create them. How they want to tax people to the hilt especially on their homes but then say we will make sure that your granny who bought a house 50 years ago for £1000 and today it's worth £3mill won't be effected. Aye right! I always hear about childcare help, never anything about cutting benefits from them. My parents never got childcare cost help, if you choose to have children you should be prepared that they cost money and need a lot of looking after.
I get the feeling that the Labour Party don't like to see people do well. Everyone gets opportunities in life and some take them and others squander them and I don't want to keep paying for the latter!
Labour hate people who've done well. You only have to watch Milliband spit the word "millionaire" out as if it's a dirty word. It epitomises their class war envy roots and the "entitlement" culture they foster.
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I didn't think they could do that because of the 5-year fixed-term parliaments have virtually done away with the ability of the ruling party to call general elections at willoriginal guvnor said:
“A general election takes place every 5 years on the first Thursday in May. An early election is only possible if (a) the House of Commons passes (by a simple majority) the motion ‘That this House has no confidence in Her Majesty’s Government’ and, within 14 days, a new or reconstituted government has not achieved passage of the motion ‘That this House has confidence in Her Majesty’s Government’; or (b) the House, by unanimity or, on a division, by a two-thirds majority of all MPs (not simply two-thirds of those voting) passes the motion ‘That there shall be an early general election’.”
PerryGunn said:
By "playing games" I meant a no-confidence vote Perry
Some great posts 
good stuff. I'd like to hear a compelling Labour arguement, i havent yet - but someone is voting for them...
Tonight a girl told my Mrs she was going to vote Labour, even tho she read all party manifesto's and agreed with Conservatives.
Regarding comments on the class system - spot on, welll put.
good stuff. I'd like to hear a compelling Labour arguement, i havent yet - but someone is voting for them...Tonight a girl told my Mrs she was going to vote Labour, even tho she read all party manifesto's and agreed with Conservatives.
Regarding comments on the class system - spot on, welll put.
Angie4m said:
Nicely put
To update this - a bit more research/reading from my part.
The deal following a failed coalition attempt from either side, would leave us with a Confidence and Supply system, where a party would need to goto the Queen and request to form a government - but the other party has the option of a no-confidence vote. In this instance, there would a deal where SNP/Libdem would agree to back said party against a no-confidence vote and therefore they'd be successful in forming a govt, and the queen would announce it.
Ergo - Ed in charge, with SNP (and/or maybe Libdem) policy adoptions being agreed behind closed doors (their core are Trident, ending austerity - read: spending, and more scottish powers: personally i read this as more referendums). As i understand it this might not mean cabinet SNP representation, but it's not something they can't agree as part of a deal.
Alternatively, if Dave can sort himself out, and Libdem/UKIP/DUP/tory-supporters-whoever get enough seats he can do the same on a policy basis. This might leave us with Dave and some libdem/ukip policies, no doubt tax relief for lower incomes, an EU discussion/referendum.
Though arguably if Libdem/UKIP get enough seats to make this work, they would just form a coalition. Ed has SAID he wont with SNP.
Typically this kind of confidence-and-supply arrangement is seen as a short step to an early re-election, where Labour / Tory quickly attempt to improve support through policy and then re-elect for a majority.
The deal following a failed coalition attempt from either side, would leave us with a Confidence and Supply system, where a party would need to goto the Queen and request to form a government - but the other party has the option of a no-confidence vote. In this instance, there would a deal where SNP/Libdem would agree to back said party against a no-confidence vote and therefore they'd be successful in forming a govt, and the queen would announce it.
Ergo - Ed in charge, with SNP (and/or maybe Libdem) policy adoptions being agreed behind closed doors (their core are Trident, ending austerity - read: spending, and more scottish powers: personally i read this as more referendums). As i understand it this might not mean cabinet SNP representation, but it's not something they can't agree as part of a deal.
Alternatively, if Dave can sort himself out, and Libdem/UKIP/DUP/tory-supporters-whoever get enough seats he can do the same on a policy basis. This might leave us with Dave and some libdem/ukip policies, no doubt tax relief for lower incomes, an EU discussion/referendum.
Though arguably if Libdem/UKIP get enough seats to make this work, they would just form a coalition. Ed has SAID he wont with SNP.
Typically this kind of confidence-and-supply arrangement is seen as a short step to an early re-election, where Labour / Tory quickly attempt to improve support through policy and then re-elect for a majority.
I'm not sure new parties would make any difference. Society is a lot more fragmented now than it used to be so finding a party that can cover a lot of these fragments is nigh on impossible. I suspect we will have to live with coalitions for a while but the boundary question must be resolved. Labour cannot be allowed to win an election with less votes than the leading party.
Unfortunately UKIP has turned what would be a clear Conservative victory into a possible Labour/SNP victory. The irony is, that the only way UKIP supporters will get their referendum on EU membership is if they vote Tory.
Unfortunately UKIP has turned what would be a clear Conservative victory into a possible Labour/SNP victory. The irony is, that the only way UKIP supporters will get their referendum on EU membership is if they vote Tory.