General Election 2015

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jimmybell

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I figure someone has to start this.. i suspect this forum represents a decent spread of opinion across the country and globe, and i'd be really keen to hear their thoughts, and maybe influence some to make a decent decision too.

In exchange, you get to hear mine. Please correct me if i'm wrong, i try to be relatively impartial, but i think in this election i'm going to find it hard. Last time i'll freely admit i voted Lib Dem, and i would again... however i might wain from this, due to some strong concern about the next 5 years.

Based on every single poll site i can find, and how the system works - here a loose overview of what is about to happen:

  • * A hung parliament is near guaranteed.
    * Only labour with SNP have the votes to secure a govt, however Tory gets the first pick being incumbent.
    * Potential Tory teammates aren't large enough to actually form a govt, and apparently Ed wont work with SNP (officially).

So we end up with no majority formed.

A policy by policy coalition will be 'attempted' (this is where Ed has been lying about a deal with SNP, because 'technically' it's not), a month later we might end up with a govt that nobody voted for. This will be Labour, with SNP policy 'contributions', with a firm no-Scotland Referendum statement from Ed. This will be accepted if it's voted in, and the Queen sanctions it.

These policies won't come from the new surging parties (that we did want, and by we i mean 1/5th of the country), because they don't have enough seats to offer (UKIP+Green = almost 20% of the vote, but totalling 2 seats) to contribute to the coalition. They will come from less than 4% of the vote - Scotland.

All the time during this process, the existing coalition stays in govt, doing absolutely nothing (focus is on forming a new govt). The world markets laugh at us, confidence drops heavily and we all suffer in the long run. We end up with a government we didn't vote for, with haphazard policy deals going on behind closed doors.

In short, we're pretty screwed, and for once, Boris Johnson's "#coalitionofchaos" hashtag is spot on.

I was a staunch advocate for maintaining the UK, but looking at the outlook now i genuinely wish we'd of kicked Scotland out. I really wish people would wake up and stop voting by colour, leader or family connections and start making informed decisions. This could of been an election where we made a difference and improved our country and future for everyone, but apparently a large number of people can't help but vote Red or Blue. As you can tell i've pretty much given up already. The system is so heavily broken it's unreal and i'm both angry and sad that people can't see this.

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Obviously there are slightly different outcomes that are possible, but they would demand a fat lie from someone, or a huge swing/change/curveball late in the game. Or i misunderstood something!

Sources: http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/ http://www.electionforecast.co.uk/ http://may2015.com/category/seat-calculator/
 
Oh, and please be nice, politics is a strong topic - don't post or read this thread if you can't handle it and be civil with people's opinions.
 
So basically, by default, SNP can get into No. 10 and dictate policies in favour of Scotland when they only receive 3.8% of the population's vote. The population of Scotland, Wales and NI already get more money per head than those living in England. Absoultely ridiculous situation that such a minority party can get into power. Dare I say it, Nigel Farage is the only politician I have heard talk any sense, the rest just point score with playground name calling-and never answer questions. The probem with voting UKIP is diluting down the votes for the main parties and the chance of letting in a party that you really don't want. So it almost comes down to Labour or the Tories. I voted Tory last time as Labour over-saw the worst depression for decades through terrible mis-management but feel that the Tory cuts to Police and NHS go to far. We need to balance the books but surely some services need ring-fencing. Immigration is an issue with over-crowding of services and houses.

All of the above points me to UKIP and I will probably vote UKIP as I genuinely dont feel any of the main parties create a fair, level playing field for everyone or actually listen to what the public say.
 
Just remember that there are quite a few Scottish members on this forum.
Your comment of "kicked Scotland out" is a bit off.
It was never really up to the rest of the UK whether Scotland stayed as part of the UK, it was up to the people of Scotland (supposedly)
Now, the rest of the political parties fought tooth and nail to keep Scotland part of the UK and got their wish. No point moaning about it now.
The SNP do not really want to be part of westminster.
Anyway , carry on. :D
 
Nictrix said:
Just remember that there are quite a few Scottish members on this forum.
Your comment of "kicked Scotland out" is a bit off.
It was never really up to the rest of the UK whether Scotland stayed as part of the UK, it was up to the people of Scotland (supposedly)
Now, the rest of the political parties fought tooth and nail to keep Scotland part of the UK and got their wish. No point moaning about it now.
The SNP do not really want to be part of westminster.
Anyway , carry on. :D
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Oh i am aware, and i'm aware it was not anything to do with ~GB vote as to whether Scotland stayed or left, it was Scotland's decision. I was fully for the result, and i fully support the UK moving forward together - without trying to sound like a westminster politician ... we are better together.

HOWEVER - this situation now puts a ridiculous amount of control in the SNP's hands, disproportionate doesn't cut it...

I'm against the system, not Scotland. I understand why SNP has the support there, but it's a shame thats what has happened.
 
i don't trust any of them, why do the squabble and bicker like children :thumbsdown: :headbang:
 
I've not got a lot of choice in my constituency - haven't even got a UKIP or SNP candidate for a protest vote :(
  • Labour
  • Conservative
  • Lib Dem
  • Green
They're all much of a muchness anyway, so don't really care who (or what 'coalition') gets in. I'll just moan about them no matter what anyway :P
 
Interesting - glad you identified it was the system that placed Scotland and it's elected representatives in a potential strong position ( although you had to be prompted ).

In my book it's best to keep things simple - if there were politicians who expressed original thinking, demonstrated that they were not anyone else's lapdog, were truely in it for improvement and betterment for all then there would be a landslide coz most of us would vote for them - I beleive The old adage that wanting to be a politician should ban you from ever being one - the place is full of career political beings that have never truely worked a day in their life - and then you put these people in charge of billion pound budgets and wonder why it doesn't work

As for the myth that was pedalled by the Tories and now believed by too many - that the Labour Party were the cause of the recession through bad management - where is your long term memory? It was thatcher who removed the financial controls that amongst other things controlled the amount that could be lent and borrowed - this allowed the country to get up to it's eyes in hoc - and the Banks just dolled it out - whether it could be repaid or not.

Of course this was lovely for a while - we were all spending this lovely cash, sales booming for years but of course all good things come to an end - or in this case everyone private and commercial was overstretched - and it all stopped. No growth bills to pay - here we are - so don't swallow the propaganda and just remember recent facts

Just in case you think I'm defending the Labour Party - that bunch of turds are fighting the eternal inside battle between communists and middle ground -it's all internal deals - what other situation would put a political wet blanket like Brown in a leadership position?

Then we have the Lib Dems - trying to convince us that they really done us a good turn when they traded in and went against the only thing they stood for for 30 years - improved and free education - now if you want a case study in political bull s**t just listen to their recent excuses - I have been truely amazed just what people will compromise for a bit of power - how could anyone vote for this bunch ever again - hope the West Country gives them a good seeing to in the election they need to understand they cannot get awAy with this

So what's left - well nothing really - politics is being reduced to a black comedy. An irrelevance , it would be funny if it weren't so serious.

Were doomed ! :cry:
 
Spikey said:
As for the myth that was pedalled by the Tories and now believed by too many - that the Labour Party were the cause of the recession through bad management - where is your long term memory? It was thatcher who removed the financial controls that amongst other things controlled the amount that could be lent and borrowed - this allowed the country to get up to it's eyes in hoc - and the Banks just dolled it out - whether it could be repaid or not.
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But it wasn't meant to be manipulated and abused to the extent that the Labour government did. If a political party doesn't understand that if you spend £2 for every £1 that you earn, then you are heading for disaster. I could take a £25k loan out and spend it on Heroin, doesn't mean I will though. Milliband and Balls were part of that party that wildly overspent until the coffers were empty so IMO can not be taken seriously.
 
to me its what they are offering in the future thats important, their current policies, although i'd be very surprised if i could trust any of them
 
..... As I said not defending the Labour Party but many want to ignore the collective responsibility of successive governments

Taz - nobody trusts them that's why everyone's disengaged
 
It's a dumb thing to do, but i'm actually.. and i can't believe i'm writing it... contemplating a strategic vote in some attempt to keep Ed Wetblanket out of No.10

I think the spread of votes is already enough to kick into debate the voting system again, and as AV got ignored hopefully we can move towards something logical. However for this election.. well, Personally i can't see anything worse than a Labour/SNP deal, i'd rather have the chaos of UKIP/Green/Libdem/Tory and hope for the best.

Being a Londoner the Labour concept is even more frightening too if i'm honest.
 
If Ed Milliband becomes PM we will slide backwards 10 years. The man is not up to the job, can you imagine him representing the UK on the world stage? Don't make me laugh.
 
Always supported conservative, I don't believe they have everything right, in fact I think UKIP has a strong manifesto and will be a force to be reckoned with in years to come.
What we need is a strong leader. Had Ed not stabbed his brother in the back, and David Milliband was the party leader, then no debate. He would win hands down (still wouldn't get my vote, but hey) as I would see him as our leader on the world stage.
 
Agree - Ed wouldn't convince anyone in a sixth form debating society never mind convincing anyone he can run the country
 
marchantsuk said:
If Ed Milliband becomes PM we will slide backwards 10 years. The man is not up to the job, can you imagine him representing the UK on the world stage? Don't make me laugh.
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+1
 
I think the current coalition is probably better than anything we might get post election, by all means have a protest vote, but then don't complain about what you get if it turns out to be Wallace and Jimmy Crankie in No 10.

Personally can't stand Labour's constant class warfare and politics of envy.
 
I like to think the party that will encourage people to do well through hard work will get in. rich getting richer is a bit of a nonsense, it is hard, in this day and age for people to get rich by genuine exploitation. on that basis I am not sure why labour relentlessly pursue the 'rich', as most aren't. they end up targeting hard working wealthy people who don't have the inclination to protect their assets from robin hood politics. mansion tax is a prime example, somewhere there must be a definition of a mansion, and it isn't a 4 bedroom terrace in north London.

target the bone idle, make them find their self respect, and most of our prolific issues will go away. it's like turkeys voting for Christmas though.
 
My support is firmly behind the Monster Raving Loony Party.

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+1 another for Ed to not have much success if his party did win.

Even though I can't stand him, I feel Osborne has put in some fairly good work this term and I'd really like to see how his work pans out.

As for the current state of affairs, Rou Reynolds, better known as the front man of St Albans group Enter Shikari has some pretty good points, for anyone with some time to spare, his views are worth a read. (Note: I don't agree with, nor support all of his views, but nevertheless that man can make music!)

http://roureynoldsofficial.tumblr.com/
 
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