General Election 2015 - POLL
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, i would have definately vote for PRchrist im so bored of that ridiculous argument:
Country requests proportional representation and gets presented with an AV vote... AV is not PR, AV is like asking for a white chocolate raspberry cookie, but being offered the choice between 'keep chocolate chip' or vote for 'double chocolate chip'. It was voted down because only the lib dems pushed it, it was not advertised and when you read up on it it's like being offered sprinkles on top of your existing shitbiscuit. Any change to the voting system (of all the options available) makes it directly harder for the two main parties to get seats. go figure.
I'll relink John's BBC article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32601281
Country requests proportional representation and gets presented with an AV vote... AV is not PR, AV is like asking for a white chocolate raspberry cookie, but being offered the choice between 'keep chocolate chip' or vote for 'double chocolate chip'. It was voted down because only the lib dems pushed it, it was not advertised and when you read up on it it's like being offered sprinkles on top of your existing shitbiscuit. Any change to the voting system (of all the options available) makes it directly harder for the two main parties to get seats. go figure.
I'll relink John's BBC article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32601281
pvr said:
Not really would all depend on the party. If it had been done on percentage of the vote the SNP would have only had 25 seats and UKIP 83, labour and Tories would also have had less but the Tories would have still had the most seats. If labour and the Tories then won X amount it would be for them to determine how many seats they would want for Scotland. Or the pro rata that parentage down to how many MPs they then choose from their Scottish or Welsh ballot.
I was looking at mp / number of voters ratio. If there are 20 million people in London, it would mean 200 MPs in London if they have the same number of voters per MP and as Scotland does not have many people, it would mean that an MP would have a huge physical area to also represent 1 million voters.
*edit ** - figures all made up and random, just to illustrate dense populated area versus low population region.
*edit ** - figures all made up and random, just to illustrate dense populated area versus low population region.
An interesting comparison if we adopted the German voting system, a form of PR....
No SNP as they polled less than 5% of the vote... (under the German PR, or "popular vote system", parties polling less than 5% do not qualify for any seats. This is to prevent a repeat of the rise of factions seen under the Weimar Republic)
Oh, as for Alex Salmond stating that the "government will have 'no legitimacy whatsoever' in Scotland" - nice to see the country pulling together :roll: Have always hated nationalist politics, and believe it holds us back in far too many ways.
No SNP as they polled less than 5% of the vote... (under the German PR, or "popular vote system", parties polling less than 5% do not qualify for any seats. This is to prevent a repeat of the rise of factions seen under the Weimar Republic)
Oh, as for Alex Salmond stating that the "government will have 'no legitimacy whatsoever' in Scotland" - nice to see the country pulling together :roll: Have always hated nationalist politics, and believe it holds us back in far too many ways.
The SNP talk utter bull. Sturgeon says that their number one priority of their manifesto was to end austerity and that's what the people want and that's what they will get.....bad news A) she is not an MP so has no say and B) as is a minority within a Majority government so she will just have to suck it up and deal with the fact that most, if not all of her parties manaifesto is utter garbage and won't come to fruition. Absolutely delighted because people will see just how stupid a move it was.
Did you know that the SNP tell people that the cuts to the NSH in Scotland is due to the Tories? But the Scottish government, the SNP are given a budget and its up to them what they do with it and that includes the NHS. It's Got sod all to do with Westminster and the sooner that people actually realise that and start questioning some of the things they spend the budget on, the better
Did you know that the SNP tell people that the cuts to the NSH in Scotland is due to the Tories? But the Scottish government, the SNP are given a budget and its up to them what they do with it and that includes the NHS. It's Got sod all to do with Westminster and the sooner that people actually realise that and start questioning some of the things they spend the budget on, the better
inkey$ said:
Based on 108 people who actually bothered to submit an answer. I somehow don't think it's a true reflection of the forum and just like the real deal some folk just can't be arsed to vote, even on a forum but they'll still have a moan about everything that is brought about by the government that they couldn't be assed to even vote for or against.
I actually couldn't pronounce the UKIP candidates name on my ballot paper, so they were clearly showing their diversity there!
Talking of moaning, there has been two protests against the new government already. People do realise we live in a democracy and that's how we have this government?? They've defaced a woman's war memorial in London with stuff about the tories. It's just not needed and shows a total lack of respect. There was even an anti Tory march in Cardiff and I believe that Charlotte Church took part, honestly what do they hope to achieve by this?
It's not going to change the vote and if people continue to protest and some cause trouble it will not do the parties they represent any favours because people and the parties will not want to be associated with protestors who are ain't social. Maybe these people should of protested against the leader of the Labour party to have him ousted long ago, you never know if his brother had been in charge it may have been a very different outcome.
People can protest all the like it A) won't change anything B) must be organised unlike the ones today as costs need to be covered and it C) should be peaceful but it always seems to turn into a fight of some description
I voted SNP. Just want them to keep their promise and give more power to Scotland. It looks like I wasn't the only one in Scotland thinking this! 56 out of 59 seats is quite impressive. And the constituencies where they never got the seats, they came a very close second. Scotland has spoken!
The election results show that the electorate wanted a pro-austerity, tax-cutting, EU referendum delivering, tough on immigration control style of government, as the two parties promising that achieved virtually 50% of the vote between them. Far more than the anti-austerity bunch did.
Giving the SNP fiscal autonomy is a master-stroke. Nowhere to hide when they bankrupt themselves and nobody else to blame other than themselves. Oh and fiscal autonomy also means that when you mess it up you sort it out yourselves and don't come running back to Westminster.
Giving the SNP fiscal autonomy is a master-stroke. Nowhere to hide when they bankrupt themselves and nobody else to blame other than themselves. Oh and fiscal autonomy also means that when you mess it up you sort it out yourselves and don't come running back to Westminster.
Ricardo1992 said:
You do know that the Scottish government already has quite a lot of the 'powers' they've said the are asking for except they've this far choose not to use them.
Not sure how the SNP can get anything when they are the minority in a major government. Any devolution of more powers, any requests to cut/stop austerity needs to be voted for in parliament and they might vote for these things but the Tories won't. I think they might say, here have fiscal powers but this will cause more cuts and more austerity (top of the SNP manafesto) and then they won't have Westminster to hide behind like they incorrectly and cowardly do right now. The SNP government choose how to spend currently in Scotland not Westminster and the sooner people wake up to realise this the better. Unfortunately they'll end up taxing us all to the hilt and it will cause a shift in people and business from Scotland.
The SNP say that Scotland has a government it did not vote for, did you know that Scotland has 56 SNP MPs they also didn't vote for? Only 1,454,463 people voted for SNP but 1,456,029 voted for other parties. So the majority of voters didn't want the SNP to represent them.