Gender related insurance

aquazi

Elite
 Derby + N. London
Just read this on the BBC today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12600284

So instead of reducing the over inflated insurance for males.. they will just increase the premiums for females!

If females statistically are safer drivers/ have less accidents then surely this isnt discrimination?
 
Don't get me started on UK insurance scam, sorry, industry (Queue Ferrel :poke: ).

If they wanted a fair system, use the European model of insuring a car instead of the person. Everyone starts at 100% premium and every year it drops by 20% until you reach the no-claim discount of 85% or thereabouts. That way, if you have no accidents, you don't pay an inflated premium.

Each accident loads the premium by 20%, so two accidents you pay the premium of 140%, but the principle is that everyone starts at 100% so it is fair for everyone.
 
Isn't there an upper age limit as well that some companies no longer insure you? That would be next to go then ...
 
BTW I agree - I dont understand this ruling either.

Insurance is based on calculated risk and gender must be taken into account for that.

Surely the more important thing to address would be the ridiculously high rates of insurance fraud/personal injuries claims/companies making huge profits from car hire/accident assistance - all of these adds a huge sum to our insurance premiums
 
So no more asking if you are a journalist (or GP :poke: ) with a high loading versus a low risk profession either then as we are all the same, just like a Manchester postcode can not be discriminated on either :rofl: :rofl:
 
Stupid ruling that ignores basic fact. They don't charge women lower premiums simply because they are women, so this is not price discrimination by sex. It's a major factor that affects risk, they have decades of stats to prove it. Ridiculous
 
pvr said:
So no more asking if you are a journalist (or GP :poke: ) with a high loading versus a low risk profession either then as we are all the same, just like a Manchester postcode can not be discriminated on either :rofl: :rofl:

precisely, the decision just seems totally misguided! And this is coming from a group of men so far!
 
Just goes to show what a shambles the ECHR really is - just another carriage on the EU gravy train.

This is not a case of discrimination. It's about measured risks & trends. Women die younger, crash less/smaller, drive less miles, etc. So should be paying less if you take everything into account.

Is this also going to mean that hospitals will be required to give men smear tests & breast cancer screening :thumbsdown:

I suppose next they'll be told they can't take age into account either, only driving experience. Or they'll be told you can't discriminate against drivers with no driving licence.

Insurers should be setting premiums based on individual risk, but they can't/don't, it's all grouped into little categories by age, then postcode’s factored in, then annual mileage, etc.

If they really want to level the playing field then they should add up all claims add their profit margin and split that by the amount of customers, then add/subtract an amount for postcode, mileage, car value, no clams bonus. That way every new driver will start off with a £2000 premium that decreases as you gain experience, no claims bonus, change address, etc. Until you end up paying a £100 premium. There should also be regulatory control over ncb amounts, postcode discounts/penalties, mileage adjustmens, etc. so that all insurers follow the same scheme, and customers can shop for insurance based on service, not just price.
 
I assume so indeed, as I doubt that they will lower the premium of young men now with the "subsidy" of women.
 
pvr said:
Don't get me started on UK insurance scam, sorry, industry (Queue Ferrel :poke: ).

If they wanted a fair system, use the European model of insuring a car instead of the person. Everyone starts at 100% premium and every year it drops by 20% until you reach the no-claim discount of 85% or thereabouts. That way, if you have no accidents, you don't pay an inflated premium.

Each accident loads the premium by 20%, so two accidents you pay the premium of 140%, but the principle is that everyone starts at 100% so it is fair for everyone.

Ive been saying for years thats how the system should work, I didnt realise thats how it already works on the continent. Wish they would sort it out, premiums are getting beyond a joke :headbang:
 
I added one of my friends to my policy... she's the same age has no points, but has had 2 accidents in the last 3 years... and it lowered my premium by £80. Did it the other way around.. adding myself to her policy for her A3 convertible (I have no points, no accidents, 6+ ncd) and her premium went up around £50...

I then got a quote as her being the sole driver/owner of my car and it was over £150 less, even with her accidents declared...

where is the logic :headbang:
 
just heard this on the radio and its so fair imo and I dont know how it has not come in sooner with all this sexism crap being about years now!
 
This may be contentious, but here goes...

I think this (equal premiums for each sex) is the right thing to do. If you look at detailed insurance statistics, there isn't actually any significant difference between the insurance risk (and hence premium) of male vs female drivers - for drivers in the same car, doing the same journeys. Any difference in risk in individuals will be catered for by NCB etc, which is fairer.

The reason women have been a lower insurance risk is that historically (ie going back several decades), they have done different types of journeys, in different types of vehicles, due to the traditional role of men going to work and women staying at home to raise families. For example: shorter journeys, with children in the car, with few time pressures (eg not trying to battle through commuter traffic to get to work on time). These different journeys/vehicles obviously have different likelihood of accidents etc, regardless of the sex of the driver. It just so happened that women were doing the lower-risk journeys, creating the misperception that women are inherently lower-risk drivers.

However, in recent decades as the roles of men/women have become more similar (which is all good of course), the two sexes now tend to do more similar journeys: men taking children to school, women commuting to executive jobs and so on. Also as the pay gap reduces (along with other social changes) women tend to drive more expensive/powerful cars than they used to in the past (no more "just a small hatchback for the lady indoors").

All these factors have closed the gap between the insurance risk of men and women. That's why these days annual mileage, type of journey and so on are far greater factors in setting insurance premiums. But because of the perpetuating stereotype, there is still the perception that women are a lower risk per se and should get a lower premium, so insurance companies have to skew their prices this way to win business. The facts are (at least from the insurance figures I've seen in detail), these days a man or woman doing an identical journey for an identical purpose in an identical car, have the same insurance risk.

So redressing the disparity in premiums is probably something the insurance companies are dying to do; this piece of Euro legislation just lets them do what they wanted to anyway, while pointing the finger for any public outcry about it at someone else. Oh, and it will probably give them an excuse to increase premiums across the board at the same time to boost their profits :-)

Of course one can produce endless examples of reckless teenage male drivers vs careful vicars-wife drivers - but the trouble is it's always the reports that reinforce the stereotype that get the headlines. The endless examples of reckless teenage female drivers get dismissed as 'isolated cases' because they don't match preconceived notions. Hence why one needs to look at large-scale insurance statistics to see the true picture. I no longer have access to the figures I mentioned above or I'd post them here, but I would be interesed in any up-to-date numbers anyone has to confirm or refute any of the above points (truly objective numbers, comparing identical journeys in identical cars for a large sample of people).

Scott
 
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