From 911 to Z4 - no regrets!

i must have bought lucky with mine as i made a profit on both 911's even after some squeeky bum bills !
£600 for a distributor on the 964+ £900 for brake overhaul & £90 for a reversing light switch on gearbox for the 996 :o

i still pop over to 911uk forum & only now as onlooker i notice that 70/80% of the posts are related to problems .
i don't think they are engineered half as well as some would perceive . especially after the aircooled model's ended
 
Kenmode said:
Not sure of the precise moment when I made the decision to get rid of the 911. It had been my daily commute for almost 3 years. In the early days it performed really well, exuded confidence and was thrilling to drive. But recently it had started to become painful with  a series of failures. Windscreen wipers failing at 75mph in the lashing rain (scary),  followed by the bill for a wiper motor (£400 plus VAT, scary), then the accelerator cable going (£350 plus VAT), then the key getting stuck in the ignition (£300 plus VAT) and the constant flat battery if we went on holidays and left it for more than a week.   It is no exaggeration to say the AA dealt with the battery (including selling me a replacement) at least 8 times over the last year.  
The last service, at an independent specialist, came to £3000 plus VAT. And that was a minor one! The mechanic made a number of comments about work needing to be done especially "a complete pads and disc job". The costs were clearly going to keep coming - it was turning into a complete f**king joke. If the car had been bullet proof you might accept the horrendous service bills. But it simply could not go on. The only type of person who could afford this level of financial leakage could actually afford a new Porsche!  

So the question was what would replace it? If I am honest I flirted with a 'newer' 911 for a short while but each time I thought about the servicing costs and how my confidence in Porsche had waned, I decided to move on. 
I had always liked the Z4. In fact I had rented a Z3 for a few days about 8 years ago and enjoyed the experience. Initially I was looking at the E85, especially the coupe - I thought it looked really good and they appear reasonably rare on the road. Then I came across the E89 and I just thought it looked amazing. Really jaw droppingly good. The fact that it looked somewhat like a coupe with the roof up and with the roof down simply looked stunning sealed the deal that this was the one I wanted. Once I convinced the Mrs that losing the (very useful) small seats in the 911 was not an issue I started looking around. 
Its amazing how it only takes a few days to get into the typical prices for a particular car. It probably helped that there were, in reality, very few Z4 E89s around in the 35 mile radius I set for the autotrader app so I did not have to read the details on large numbers of cars. The issue was who would give me a decent trade in on the high mileage 911? Now I am no aggressive negotiator but its amazing how a bit of silence can help. The difference between the highest and lowest bid on the Porsche was 30%! Fortunately I really liked the Z4 at the dealer who made the higher bid so we agreed the numbers and a month or so ago I became the proud owner of a lovely Z4 S23i. 

So having done a few hundred miles in it what are my thoughts? 
1. Quality: The BMW feels very well built, chunky and reliable. The 911 feels much lighter and fragile in comparison. This may clearly be deliberate to aide performance but its a refreshing change to be in such a solid car;
2. Speed: I find myself going quicker in the Z4. This is mainly because it is a smoother drive so I do not notice the speed. At 80mph in the 911 it felt like 100mph and that the car was going nuts - fun but slightly disconcerting. 
3. Interior: Still getting used to the best method of setting up my phone etc. I find the gear change really nice and notchy, the instrument panel clear and easy to understand. Still need to familiairse myself with various features but it's a nice place to be. 
4. Forum's: this forum is far more positive than the equivalent Porsche one - so that is another good thing!

Pics to follow - I know I will get grief for a lack of shots but having written this I wanted to get it out before it became war and peace!


996's and early 997's can be a money pit which was yours? not sure I agree with "At 80mph in the 911 it felt like 100mph" the modern 911 seems to only be going 70mph when in fact 120 will be on the Speedo.

I went from a Z4 35iS to a 991S and they really are miles apart
 
deka said:
welcome looking forward to the pics... brill place this

I've had the car since March 1st and I've posted pic's before

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Kryton said:
deka said:
welcome looking forward to the pics... brill place this

I've had the car since March 1st and I've posted pic's before

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Never understood what people see in Porsches but then never driven one so probably missing something, but purely looking at it = boring where the Zed = gorgeous :)

Tim.
 
TitanTim said:
Kryton said:
deka said:
welcome looking forward to the pics... brill place this

I've had the car since March 1st and I've posted pic's before

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Never understood what people see in Porsches but then never driven one so probably missing something, but purely looking at it = boring where the Zed = gorgeous :)

Tim.

That's a bit harsh. I like it. On a separate note I see you are back Kryton. I think you haven't posted for a while?
 
Why? I just not keen on how they look, for me the problem is they are so familiar due to little change with each new model so they're just uninspiring to look at. Like Jeremy Clarkson says, Porsche designers are the laziest

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

Tim.
 
RubyBlueZ4MC said:
On a separate note I see you are back Kryton. I think you haven't posted for a while?


Yes July, I keep leaving for a few months and then somehow I wonder back :?
 
Thanks for all of the warm welcomes, much appreciated.
A few things:
- The Porsche was a 996.
- I don't feel I was that unlucky with the 911, things just start to go wrong as these cars get older. The costs are clearly mental but you have little choice - cannot trust a 'standard' garage, need an independent specialist at least.
- Will send some pictures tonight!
 
Interesting comments re the 996. It's a car that I've always considered, but due to servicing costs and because I've heard some horror stories, I've not been able to mentally make the leap to one. It is an itch that I'd like to scratch one day though. Running costs-wise though, they seem to be in a completely and utterly different league from the M-cars I've owned. My E46 M3 was bullet proof during my 60k to 90k ownership and didn't even snap the rear springs ;)

Enjoy your new Z. :thumbsup: :driving:
 
bennyboysvuk said:
Interesting comments re the 996. It's a car that I've always considered, but due to servicing costs and because I've heard some horror stories, I've not been able to mentally make the leap to one. It is an itch that I'd like to scratch one day though. Running costs-wise though, they seem to be in a completely and utterly different league from the M-cars I've owned. My E46 M3 was bullet proof during my 60k to 90k ownership and didn't even snap the rear springs ;)

Enjoy your new Z. :thumbsup: :driving:

Same here, would like a 996 Turbo or 4S, but they are still pricey here.
 
To OP glad your happy with your desision! The Z4 is one of the best cars you can buy IMO and hope you continue to enjoy it! :thumbsup:

Have to say my dads 911 has cost less than my Z to look after since weve both had them. Both had major servicing, and the servicing and running costs so far the porsche has been cheaper, 57 997 Cs 15k, 56 Z4Mc 52k. Drive the Porsche nicely or on a long motorway haul and it easily gets 34-35mpg whereas you really have to try extremely hard to get the Z4M over 31mpg, obviously neither are designed for this but just an observation. But obviously if either go wrong the parts and labour are as expensive for both.

Although Porsche specialists are generally seen as the place to go in the Porsche community, unlike the BMW community most, including myself continue to have servicing carried out by BMW as that stamp is paramount. In the porsche world a specialist stamp is as valuable as a dealer as most are well known and highly respected.

In my mind I still prefer the Porsche to the beemer, but you have to get a good porsche as there are more problems especially with a pre 2001 996, similar probelems with late 996. 997 are better but still suffer from the similar problems, although less documented, unlike before they check the RMS seal as a matter of corse every time the car goes in, infact my dads was replaced as a matter of corse, not because there was anything wrong or it, (like leaking) but because its worth sorting, piece of mind, which is why there is less documentation compared to the 996. If your RMS seal goes on a 997 your car hasnt been looked after properly by the previous owner or you haven't taken the necessary steps to keep it running properly. You also have to keep an eye on it, many of the problems show no visible signs. If you do and have it regularly serviced and do plenty of milage in them they are bullet proof its when they sit and are garage queens problems start. There was an article I read recently based on the 996, was used as a race experience day for a significant period of time and not one suffered from RMS, simply because they were being used properly on a daily basis. But the M cars are very hard to beat which is why I ended up with one over a 996, they are certainly a big worry and I couldn't quite stretch to a good 997.

Its like anything if they are cheap... they are cheap for a reason. Documentation is paramount, history etc get a good one and have it checked over first and you will be golden or extremely unlucky. Would it put me off? No chance, its such a shame people scare monger people away from these cars. You just need to do your homework, like anything else. Horror stories will always be there, like the S54 blowing up... yet we rarely here anyone with this problem possibly 2 members? Yet there is plenty of documentation and scare mongering on the net.

BTW Kryton said it before but pwwhoorre! your 911 is absolutely stunning.

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IMG_0600 by tom_scott88, on Flickr

My Z with dads Porsche.
 
TitanTim said:
Why? I just not keen on how they look, for me the problem is they are so familiar due to little change with each new model so they're just uninspiring to look at. Like Jeremy Clarkson says, Porsche designers are the laziest

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

Tim.
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Not particularly lazy on this one in my opinion, well not from the rear at least!
 
There's a 996 Turbo along the street which sounds like a bag of spanners! I always thought I wanted a Porsche but after this Zed I'm not interested! I'm not sure you be so thrilled with an E85 but there seem to be plenty who would disagree!!!
 
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