Forum Arguments

[jimmybell]

If people reduce a thread to argument or petty handbags, can we simply ban them until they realise they are the problem?

Anyone that resorts to insults or direct attacks on other members, or anyone that perpetuates such drivel and takes threads entirely off topic should just be banned. If people have a narcissistic desire to argue in a public place rather than fill their private inboxes with their own crap chat, when nobody else gives a rats ass - just ban them.

24 hour ban, 7 day ban, permanent ban (with warning), whatever. Perhaps removal of a ban should be on condition of an apology post to all the other members' and mods time they've wasted.

The recent brexit thread (largely derailed due to petty cat fighting rather than the expected political disagreement) being locked just serves to provide a permanent memorial for these morons weak twaddle of an argument and doesn't allow the rest of us simpletons to bring it back on topic and continue with life.

Anyway, i think my point is this kind of moderation doesn't help, or fix the problem, and in fact just contributes to building an uneditable archive of embarrassing crap that makes the forum look awful whilst the perpetrators continue to have access to repeat their actions.

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[Chris_D]

You're wrong. Just wrong.
So wrong, I can't believe how wrong you are.
:lol: :rofl:

 

[Bing]

That particular topic reads like two completely separate posts smashed together. It makes for ridiculous - and rather cringy - reading. There should definitely be an instant naughty step for such juvenile behaviour, and it’s a shame there is no way to keep what was an otherwise intelligent discussion alive. I’d be proper pissed if it was my thread that was destroyed by that sort of behaviour.

 

[PerryGunn]

Nothing worse than a thread being dragged off topic....

Now I've got that off my chest, did anyone watch 'Britain's Parking Hell' on Channel 5?....

 

[Havard]

Ooh, must go and read.

 

[Woots]

I did have a good read...and chuckle

Which reminds me as to why I don’t really rate any side or any party to do a particularly stellar job

I sometimes think I could do a better job myself but I’d hate to live in London, even at number 10 so a vote for Adam is never happening!

 

[Woots]

That particular topic reads like two completely separate posts smashed together. It makes for ridiculous - and rather cringy - reading. There should definitely be an instant naughty step for such juvenile behaviour, and it’s a shame there is no way to keep what was an otherwise intelligent discussion alive. I’d be proper pissed if it was my thread that was destroyed by that sort of behaviour.

Woah you got gold stars now? That’s a thing?!

Hope family is good mate

 

[Anonymous]

If people reduce a thread to argument or petty handbags, can we simply ban them until they realise they are the problem?

Anyone that resorts to insults or direct attacks on other members, or anyone that perpetuates such drivel and takes threads entirely off topic should just be banned. If people have a narcissistic desire to argue in a public place rather than fill their private inboxes with their own crap chat, when nobody else gives a rats ass - just ban them.

24 hour ban, 7 day ban, permanent ban (with warning), whatever. Perhaps removal of a ban should be on condition of an apology post to all the other members' and mods time they've wasted.

The recent brexit thread (largely derailed due to petty cat fighting rather than the expected political disagreement) being locked just serves to provide a permanent memorial for these morons weak twaddle of an argument and doesn't allow the rest of us simpletons to bring it back on topic and continue with life.

Anyway, i think my point is this kind of moderation doesn't help, or fix the problem, and in fact just contributes to building an uneditable archive of embarrassing crap that makes the forum look awful whilst the perpetrators continue to have access to repeat their actions.

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Hear, hear!

 

[sp3ctre]

I take your point (rant), and there is always a balance to be struck. When you take the route of reprimanding people it is quite often subjective as to where it started. Taking this thread as an example, was the original rant about Jeremy Corbyn the instigating post? It was not abuse aimed at anyone on this forum, it was a rant against a political figure... Someone took offence and it escalated from there. In the end both parties were just as bad as each other but by then there was quite a mess to unpick.

Last night I was pretty busy so wouldn't have had the time to unpick the bad posts, reprimand people, ban people (which rarely works, for a number of reasons). The long and the short of it is sometimes it is easier to lock the thread and walk away for a while.

In this case I have had a look and spent 10 minutes unpicking the good from the bad... 10 minutes I won't get back. Sometimes mods have the time and inclination to do this, sometimes they don't. Just because a mod locks something doesn't always mean they don't agree that there was some element of good discussion going on.

 

[RustyZ4]

And I was expecting this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdoGVgj1MtY

 

[Jembo]

It’s a simple matter if you make a statement or opinion, when challenged you either back it up with facts or admit you’re wrong - that’s the fundamental basics of a Forum.

I applaud anyone who holds unacceptable behaviour to account, questions it & asks the person to explain themselves.

One point of view was fundamentally never explained or justified, but worst of all as mentioned above a highly interesting thread was shut down, despite repeated attempts by other members to inject humour & keep it on topic.

My suggestion, is next time for the mods to simply say ‘take a breather for 3 days’ to those concerned, don’t post on the thread regardless, with a Mod comment of ‘Breather moment’ or something similar... so everyone knows to cool off..

WDYT?

 

[RustyZ4]

Just to point out, you have spelt "arguments" wrong :exitright:

 

[tomscott]

Unfortunately becoming more and more common.

 

[sp3ctre]

Unfortunately becoming more and more common.

It is, and like always there is a fine line between allowing people to express themselves and shutting down troublemakers. Sometimes we get it right, sometimes we don't.

 

[Jembo]

Unfortunately becoming more and more common.

It is, and like always there is a fine line between allowing people to express themselves and shutting down troublemakers. Sometimes we get it right, sometimes we don't.

We understand that, the only suggestion here is to add functionality where Mods can temporarily suspend certain members for posting on a thread... giving everyone time to cool down, others to debate what’s been said giving time for everyone to reflect... hence the 3 day window suggestion.

I suggest having any thread closed should never be an option & only done after all other avenues explored

 

[jimmybell]

Just to point out, you have spelt "arguments" wrong :exitright:

:rofl:
Fair point. i think when curating the title i backtracked from 'People who argue unnecessarily' and didn't delete the 'e' 8)

 

[sp3ctre]

:rofl:
Fair point. i think when curating the title i backtracked from 'People who argue unnecessarily' and didn't delete the 'e' 8)

You don't get it, do you? You're not supposed to say "fair point", you're supposed to offer to fight him!!!

 

[rally-chris]

Instead of a three day cooling off period, perhaps offenders could be consigned to an eternity on the Pistonheads forums instead. Honestly, even the most heated threads on this forum are nothing compared to the willy waggling and sniping that goes on routinely on PH threads!

 

[Marlon]

Instead of a three day cooling off period, perhaps offenders could be consigned to an eternity on the Pistonheads forums instead. Honestly, even the most heated threads on this forum are nothing compared to the willy waggling and sniping that goes on routinely on PH threads!

I don't frequent any other forums, however this an interesting observation.
Personally I am amazed at how civil this forum is considering the thousands of members and the potential for individuals to be offensive behind their keyboards. Perhaps its not as 'civil' as it used to be in the early days - I can't comment as I wasn't there, however its still remarkably courteous and self-policing imo

 

[Jembo]

Instead of a three day cooling off period, perhaps offenders could be consigned to an eternity on the Pistonheads forums instead. Honestly, even the most heated threads on this forum are nothing compared to the willy waggling and sniping that goes on routinely on PH threads!

I don't frequent any other forums, however this an interesting observation.
Personally I am amazed at how civil this forum is considering the thousands of members and the potential for individuals to be offensive behind their keyboards. Perhaps its not as 'civil' as it used to be in early days - I can't comment as I wasn't there, however its still remarkably courteous and self-policing imo

This is why I believe it’s worth discussing, as 99.9% on here will listen & provide improved suggestions

Long may we self regulate with minimal Mod intervention