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peddy

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Hi,

I just got flashed on speed camera. I was only going at most 34mph in 30. Was I flashed wrongly? My friend said that he thinks that camera is faulty as he saw about 5 cars get flashed in 15 min when he was waiting for a bus. Is there any way I could check what speed I was actually going? It was 19:54 on my phone.
 
If the car's registered in your name and at your current address then simply wait 14 days to see if you've been done or not.

The postal strike might even work in your favour as the rule is that they have to post it on the basis that it would be 'expected to arrive' within the 14 day timeframe. With the postal strike they've only got a couple of days to post it to use that excuse.
 
mmm-five said:
If the car's registered in your name and at your current address then simply wait 14 days to see if you've been done or not.

The postal strike might even work in your favour as the rule is that they have to post it on the basis that it would be 'expected to arrive' within the 14 day timeframe. With the postal strike they've only got a couple of days to post it to use that excuse.
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so if the letter is dated after say the 22nd/23rd then I can use this excuse?
 
I'm not sure if it is true but I've read that the 14 day rule doesn't include "reasonable delay" in the post. So if the post is delayed due to industrial action, and police has posted the notice which you would expect to arrive within time under normal circumstances, you could still be charged. i.e. police post the notice on day 10, but the letter doesn't arrive till day 16, you could still be charged as normally they wouldn't expect the post to take 6 days.

Wonder how this might be affected during Xmas though?
 
Interesting set of defences:
My iphone said I was at less than 30, but I wasn't using it - honest
5 other people got 'flashed' while my mate was waiting for the bus -??
You failed to mail my fine in time, so it doesn't count

Which one are you going to rely on or will you just wait and see??
 
RX-78 said:
I'm not sure if it is true but I've read that the 14 day rule doesn't include "reasonable delay" in the post. So if the post is delayed due to industrial action, and police has posted the notice which you would expect to arrive within time under normal circumstances, you could still be charged. i.e. police post the notice on day 10, but the letter doesn't arrive till day 16, you could still be charged as normally they wouldn't expect the post to take 6 days.

Wonder how this might be affected during Xmas though?
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The actual statement in the guidelines states - "(2) A notice shall be deemed for the purposes of subsection (1)(c) above to have been served on a person if it was sent by registered post or recorded delivery service addressed to him at his last known address, notwithstanding that the notice was returned as undelivered or was for any other reason not received by him."

The issuing SCP has to ensure it's reasonable to expect the post to arrive in a timely manner. However the definition for serving the NIP only says that you have to receive it within 14 days - although some court cases have stated that it only needs to be posted within 14 days as registered/recorded delivery (which is what they're supposed to use) as that guarantees it would be delivered - and thus it is deemed as 'served' if it's sent by that method. However none of the SCPs send it by registered/recorded and just use 1st/2nd class and then argue in court (and usually win) when the defendent points out it was never served.

If they know there's a postal strike on then they need to ensure that it's posted in reasonable time. If they post it on day 10 in normal circumstances then you've probably got no defence - however posting it on day 10 during a postal stike would help your defence should you refuse to accept it.

However, sometimes it's just easier to take the 3 points and get on with life - and sometimes you'll be offered a 'speed awareness course' instead if you're only slightly over the limit.

More info here. - which states that you can receive it after the 14 day period as long as it was posted with the expectation of arriving within the 14 days taking the ORDINARY course of the post into account. A postal strike would not be ORDINARY.
 
Basically they have 14 days to prosecute, they do that when they send the letter, so the postal strike means nothing.

I'd also take anything with a "10% + x mph" with a pinch of salt too. If it says 30 then staying below 30mph is the only sure fire way not to get caught.
 
see I thought it was always 20%... I've passed camersa at 47/48 in a 40 with no problems. that's why i'm so supprised with the one on this occassion. thanks for the info guys.
 
Think the moral of the story is dont speed..if its 30..drive at 29 :) or do what they did on top gear and go through them at 180 :wink:
No problem in the 2.0 but you guys in the HEAVIER 3.0 or 3.2 cars might struggle...but hey ho :lol:
 
Woots said:
Think the moral of the story is dont speed..if its 30..drive at 29 :) or do what they did on top gear and go through them at 180 :wink:
No problem in the 2.0 but you guys in the HEAVIER 3.0 or 3.2 cars might struggle...but hey ho :lol:
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Have you been sniffing the nitrous again ???? :D
 
If you were actually doing 34mph on your speedo you shouldnt get caught... 34 on my speedo is 31-32 actual. Some gatsos do flash under the speed limit. Some incorrectly calibrated, some to scare motorists (it worked on you).

Either way, they will use the 2 photographs to prosecute you, if indeed you were going too far over the limit. Time to play the waiting game i'm afraid :(
 
I thought speedo's were calibrated to be their most accurate around the 30mph mark, so if yours was reading 34 then you were speeding, just learn from it and dont try push your luck going through cameras.
 
The rules of speeding are: 30 in a 30, 40 in a 40, 50 in a 50, take care in national speed limits and dual carriageways and drive within the conditions and you should be ok. Keep your eyes peeled for camara's and camara vans.You want you head testing if you go over 30 in a 30 zone. that's where most get caught.You are a sitting target in 30 zones, easy to pick off and generate revenue.Don't work on the basis that there is a 'margin' over the limit. A copper may exercise a margin, a camera or camera van certainly won't.Go steady out there folks!!!!
 
EdButler said:
If you were actually doing 34mph on your speedo you shouldnt get caught... 34 on my speedo is 31-32 actual.(
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why does the speedo show a couple of mph slower?
 
peddy said:
EdButler said:
If you were actually doing 34mph on your speedo you shouldnt get caught... 34 on my speedo is 31-32 actual.(
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why does the speedo show a couple of mph slower?
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the speedo is usually shown to be faster so that you are actually going slower without even knowing it.

my director got hit in a similar situation and he somehow used a satnav to prove he was doing the correct speed. i dont know exactly what he did though :(

unlucky. no point worrying over it, if it comes it comes if it doesnt it doesnt.

the most sound advice i can give is stick to the speed limits and you have nothing to worry about
 
It is illegal for a speedometer to under-read - given manufacturing tolerances and also variances in conditions, manufacturers make them over read by a decent percentage.

Autocar always publish both figures when they test, the Maclaren F1 I recall would have been the slowest car on the motorway, inidicating 70 mph when its real speed was 60ish!
 
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