First Sport model in the UK... UPDATED: with video

JimsZ said:
I saw one on the M3 this week, we both came off J5 and Id say reserve judgement until you see one in the flesh. I liked it :thumbsup:

Yeah, some truth in that. It reminds me of seeing pictures and video of the new MX5 and thinking 'nice'. Then I saw them in the flesh and they just didn't do it for me. I was nonplussed with images of the Fiat 124, however I really like the look of them on the road. So, yeah I guess seeing the Z4 in the flesh will be the tester.
 
Its very easy to neg on change. Its understandable with the length of time people have waited.

People hate change and its funny how different demographics deal with it.

I think its actually rather nice and takes a lot of ques from the rest of the modern BMW model range. Thankfully it is far far away from the 1 and 3 series to feel more special as they feel so run of the mill these days. I think there is a lot of classic sports car design language and keeps enough of the concept car and previous Z familiarity to keep it appealing. Whether you see it or not, its there.

There are quite a few continuation of bangles design language, people hated that when unveiled across the BMW range yet the Z4M Coupe will be hailed by many on here as one of the best looking cars BMW has ever made. Not so much at the time...

That interior is fantastic too. The standard models always look unappealing to me anyway and the sport models usually look better but there doesn't seem to be that many differentiating factors this time round.

BMW has been quoted in saying there wont be an M version but if there was I think it would be worth a purchase. With BMW making an M version of nearly every car available and have a back catalogue of parts I don't see why they wouldn't make a parts bin special but again the Z hasn't sold well for a long time. Just like the Z4M was mostly the E46 M3 and CSL parts.

All these comments remind me of the opinions when the E89 came out yet many hail it the best looking Z4 now, originally the negativity was really strong.

We have had 10 years of being used to the E89, it was beyond controversial on the forum when it was announced, not only because it was heavy, big and nothing like the E85 but also in the looks department, a radical change. I think the time frame is also a reason for people to neg, 10 years waiting for a new model, its always going to be an anti climax and disappointment.

Im sure once it gets out and people actually start driving it from a real world perspective not a reviewer used to driving exotica on a daily basis... that it will do, what the majority of people want very very well. If it has the speed and comfort of the E89 and a bit of the sharpness and weight of the E85 then it will be an excellent car for UK roads.

Just like the 35IS many dissed it for years until the last 3-4 years where it has become really quite a sports car bargain. Possibly because of the huge depreciation, but it is a great car. Ok it isnt a "die hard" weekender but it does dual purpose very well.

Like all Z4s as soon as owners get their hands on them add some subtle aesthetic mods they will be quite appealing. As a quick reminder the Z4M went down very poorly at launch, the 35IS was slated. Neither made in particularly large volumes and now on our own forum sit on pedestals... just saying...

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I say give it some time before you jump on the neg band wagon, there is far to much negging on the forums these days as it is.
 
tomscott said:
Its very easy to neg on change. Its understandable with the length of time people have waited.

People hate change and its funny how different demographics deal with it.

I think its actually rather nice and takes a lot of ques from the rest of the modern BMW model range. Thankfully it is far far away from the 1 and 3 series to feel more special as they feel so run of the mill these days. I think there is a lot of classic sports car design language and keeps enough of the concept car and previous Z familiarity to keep it appealing. Whether you see it or not, its there.

There are quite a few continuation of bangles design language, people hated that when unveiled across the BMW range yet the Z4M Coupe will be hailed by many on here as one of the best looking cars BMW has ever made. Not so much at the time...

That interior is fantastic too. The standard models always look unappealing to me anyway and the sport models usually look better but there doesn't seem to be that many differentiating factors this time round.

BMW has been quoted in saying there wont be an M version but if there was I think it would be worth a purchase. With BMW making an M version of nearly every car available and have a back catalogue of parts I don't see why they wouldn't make a parts bin special but again the Z hasn't sold well for a long time. Just like the Z4M was mostly the E46 M3 and CSL parts.

All these comments remind me of the opinions when the E89 came out yet many hail it the best looking Z4 now, originally the negativity was really strong.

We have had 10 years of being used to the E89, it was beyond controversial on the forum when it was announced, not only because it was heavy, big and nothing like the E85 but also in the looks department, a radical change. I think the time frame is also a reason for people to neg, 10 years waiting for a new model, its always going to be an anti climax and disappointment.

Im sure once it gets out and people actually start driving it from a real world perspective not a reviewer used to driving exotica on a daily basis... that it will do, what the majority of people want very very well. If it has the speed and comfort of the E89 and a bit of the sharpness and weight of the E85 then it will be an excellent car for UK roads.

Just like the 35IS many dissed it for years until the last 3-4 years where it has become really quite a sports car bargain. Possibly because of the huge depreciation, but it is a great car. Ok it isnt a "die hard" weekender but it does dual purpose very well.

Like all Z4s as soon as owners get their hands on them add some subtle aesthetic mods they will be quite appealing. As a quick reminder the Z4M went down very poorly at launch, the 35IS was slated. Neither made in particularly large volumes and now on our own forum sit on pedestals... just saying...

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I say give it some time before you jump on the neg band wagon, there is far to much negging on the forums these days as it is.

I have been waiting for some real world pics like these, I was skeptical about the looks at first, but it does look good.

The only thing I dont like personally, is the fabric roof.

I cant wait to see one in person, and form a proper opinion on it.

Its looking great here though, the sport model may even look better than the Msport
 
Agree with comment about fabric roof, I preferred the hardtop on the E89 and I think a bit more care needs to be taken with the fabric and waterproofing etc.

I was in 2 minds whether to post the photos on here, given the negativity towards it. Good that some people are reserving judgement until they’ve seen one up close, or driven it. You could be right tomscott, could be a demographic thing, looking at the ages on some users profiles.
 
Z4 Beemer said:
Deepseaskateboard said:
Next to the new Z4, is that a bmw 507 convertible?

$$$

Indeed! The G29 is in good company in this photo, with the outdated E89 moved to the side... :D

2E1EB5E3-C04A-469B-8547-E5B22BC8318B.jpeg
That's a bit of a sly move in that pic.
Put it in between two old cars and it looks better than it did parked next to the E89.
 
Nictrix said:
Z4 Beemer said:
Deepseaskateboard said:
Next to the new Z4, is that a bmw 507 convertible?

$$$

Indeed! The G29 is in good company in this photo, with the outdated E89 moved to the side... :D

2E1EB5E3-C04A-469B-8547-E5B22BC8318B.jpeg
That's a bit of a sly move in that pic.
Put it in between two old cars and it looks better than it did parked next to the E89.
And is that the concept car that is parked two cars up?
Why didn't they sit that next to the new model?

Haha yeah, good move from the marketing people... how to make something look good by changing the surroundings! :D

That’s the new i8 roadster parked next to the Z8. 8)
 
Z4 Beemer said:
Nictrix said:
Z4 Beemer said:
Indeed! The G29 is in good company in this photo, with the outdated E89 moved to the side... :D

2E1EB5E3-C04A-469B-8547-E5B22BC8318B.jpeg
That's a bit of a sly move in that pic.
Put it in between two old cars and it looks better than it did parked next to the E89.
And is that the concept car that is parked two cars up?
Why didn't they sit that next to the new model?

Haha yeah, good move from the marketing people... how to make something look good by changing the surroundings! :D

That’s the new i8 roadster parked next to the Z8. 8)
Ha, you answered as I was editing my post.
Just realised that it was the i8.
 
I don't mind the look of it, it just doesn't have anywhere near the same conviction as the first Z4 design, which is a shame. Especially when there are some amazing cars like the Alpine and Type-R in the current market that have been really bold on the design front, clearly making concessions in terms of mass appeal in order to stir up some real passion in the customers they feel really matter.

I didn't like the E85/E86 design at the time either, but it has stood the test of time well and I think there's a strong argument to be made that this is due to its simplicity and clarity of design language. There are so many incoherent details on the G29 that stink of design-by-committee, e.g. the bonnet/front wing shut line that flows continuously in the E85 and the Pebble Beach concept, which was probably dropped as it would have needed a larger, more expensive clamshell or less aggressive headlights; the front bumper that has shrunk compared to the concept but has still kept a similar number of facets, making it appear cluttered; the heavily raked flank swage line that's clearly trying to make the car appear less slab-like, but ends up softening the signature Z4 rear arch "hips", an area that the concept tackles nicely with a bold box arch demarcated by an equally strong and distinct swage that runs around the rear light cluster. Etc etc...

This is the problem with concepts. They are good for generating excitement, but you shoot yourself in the foot if the execution of the final product is too heavily compromised.
 
I have tried to like this but in the end I cant , the interior is very nice but as a whole its not doing it
 
Whilst on this topic, I thought I will post a reminder of where the story started for the E85 M back in 2006.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2006-detroit-auto-show-coverage/
 
My 20 year old Daughter recently started a job as a BMW Product Genius. She's been there 3 weeks and got sent to Donnington yesterday on a training day. She text me to say it was learning about the new 3 series and the Z4.

She spent the afternoon on the track with the 2,0 3.0 and the M40i Z4. Lucky Girl
 

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The black grill defo looks better, but that's the case on most cars because it's a bit more aggressive.

The interior looks like a fantastic place to be, but the whole thing feels much too refined for me.. the older Z's have a raw feel about them, simple dash, low level of detail and more sleek lines.

I get why it's like this though.. obviously the new Boxster is as high spec and fluffy as this.. but that just means I'd rather have the Boxster because it's better looking. (haven't done a price comparison.. guessing they're about 25% cost higher)
 
MrPT said:
mr wilks said:
oh dear :cry: not exactly a looker is it

That depends on whether you're into an albino man/fish genetic hybrid freak with big nostrils and an expansive forehead.

nothing wrong with a Fivehead :lol: mine has enough to build some real estate on :cry:
 
Z4 Beemer said:
[youtube]oFfK64qPN8U[/youtube]

OMG... never, after watching this, will I ever consider lending my car for a BMW Z line up.

Was cringing watching the video when trying to start the Z8... with the wrong key... just like my wife with things... if it doesn’t work apply more violence, not logic, to make it work... hence why mine is banned from the Zed
 
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