First post... a few q's...

javis20 said:
enzed4 said:
javis20 said:
I have a 2011 E89 and roof operation depends upon what country your in. Here in the USA, you cannot open the roof with the keyfob unless you have the comfort access option.. You can code it to open all the windows and fold in the mirrors, but that's it.

However, I'm told that you can open the roof with the the physical key, but have not tried it. Insert key, turn to open and hold. Again I have not tried this.

To do what you want, you would need the SmartTop option. Or there is a german cheaper alternative, but requires wiring.
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I wonder if the US market E89's can be coded to lower the roof with the keyfob without comfort access (using Carly, NCS or similar), as this is easily do-able on other market's E89's (so it would seem to be a software setting that doesn't require the CA option). There may be an answer to this on this forum but I can't be faffed hunting for it right now....
Holy Grail option would be to code the roof to go up with the remote, without Comfort Access. Many have tried, none have succeeded (to my knowledge) :lol:
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I have tried everything possible to code the top down with NCS Expert on USA cars. No luck. Many others have tried as well, with no success. On coding forums, I have requested for anyone that might have a non-comfort access car, with keyfob top-down working, to send me their code file so I can compare with mine. No one has yet done that.
As I previously indicated, there is a German company with a module significantly cheaper, but requires significant wiring ability. And to be honest, I could probably program an arduino to do this, but the time and effort is just not worth it to me.
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I Have top down without comfort, uk car and I can send you a copy of anything you may need it you can PM me how to get the files, I’ve only used NCS expert a few times so it would help to know which files and how to save them,
 
Chippie said:
javis20 said:
enzed4 said:
I wonder if the US market E89's can be coded to lower the roof with the keyfob without comfort access (using Carly, NCS or similar), as this is easily do-able on other market's E89's (so it would seem to be a software setting that doesn't require the CA option). There may be an answer to this on this forum but I can't be faffed hunting for it right now....
Holy Grail option would be to code the roof to go up with the remote, without Comfort Access. Many have tried, none have succeeded (to my knowledge) :lol:
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I have tried everything possible to code the top down with NCS Expert on USA cars. No luck. Many others have tried as well, with no success. On coding forums, I have requested for anyone that might have a non-comfort access car, with keyfob top-down working, to send me their code file so I can compare with mine. No one has yet done that.
As I previously indicated, there is a German company with a module significantly cheaper, but requires significant wiring ability. And to be honest, I could probably program an arduino to do this, but the time and effort is just not worth it to me.
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I Have top down without comfort, uk car and I can send you a copy of anything you may need it you can PM me how to get the files, I’ve only used NCS expert a few times so it would help to know which files and how to save them,
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I don’t think top down is the problem, it’s top up that’s the issue :?
Rob
 
enuff_zed said:
Padlingwell said:
true- my list of must haves has all been ticked. I had comfort access on my 220, and for me it certainly wasn't a must-have. The only other thing I would have liked is heated seats, but that wasn't a dealbreaker. I has 7sp DCT auto, idrive, heated steering wheel, the right wheels, cruise control and red leather. Oh, and a silky six cylinder... so now it does roof down before I go out, all good.
Might keep it on the CTEK, if I can find a way of permanently installing the leads on the jump/charge points under the bonnet, and have the socket with the rubber cover hidden inside the trailing edge of the front wing, so I can plug it in with just the driver's door open rather than pop the hood. It's kept outside.
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Look at how Smartbear did his CTEK hardwire. No need to have any doors or bonnet open.
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I connect mine under the bonnet, place the charger down the exhaust side of the engine and run the mains lead through the gap at the inside top edge of the headlight unit, then close the bonnet.
No need to do any wiring!
 
Smartbear said:
Chippie said:
javis20 said:
I have tried everything possible to code the top down with NCS Expert on USA cars. No luck. Many others have tried as well, with no success. On coding forums, I have requested for anyone that might have a non-comfort access car, with keyfob top-down working, to send me their code file so I can compare with mine. No one has yet done that.
As I previously indicated, there is a German company with a module significantly cheaper, but requires significant wiring ability. And to be honest, I could probably program an arduino to do this, but the time and effort is just not worth it to me.
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I Have top down without comfort, uk car and I can send you a copy of anything you may need it you can PM me how to get the files, I’ve only used NCS expert a few times so it would help to know which files and how to save them,
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I don’t think top down is the problem, it’s top up that’s the issue :?
Rob
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I thought so too, Rob, but javis20 is saying that the USA cars can't do top down with the keyfob, unless they have comfort access. Looks like UK and other markets can code it, but US cars can't? This is what he's trying to achieve for US E89's.
I'd be happy to send a copy of my NCS files but I have never got around to loading the E89 Daten files so it could take a while to get it up and running, and it looks like another member's offered anyway.
 
mcbutler said:
enuff_zed said:
Padlingwell said:
true- my list of must haves has all been ticked. I had comfort access on my 220, and for me it certainly wasn't a must-have. The only other thing I would have liked is heated seats, but that wasn't a dealbreaker. I has 7sp DCT auto, idrive, heated steering wheel, the right wheels, cruise control and red leather. Oh, and a silky six cylinder... so now it does roof down before I go out, all good.
Might keep it on the CTEK, if I can find a way of permanently installing the leads on the jump/charge points under the bonnet, and have the socket with the rubber cover hidden inside the trailing edge of the front wing, so I can plug it in with just the driver's door open rather than pop the hood. It's kept outside.
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Look at how Smartbear did his CTEK hardwire. No need to have any doors or bonnet open.
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I connect mine under the bonnet, place the charger down the exhaust side of the engine and run the mains lead through the gap at the inside top edge of the headlight unit, then close the bonnet.
No need to do any wiring!
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I just park up & connect, no need for opening the bonnet :P
Rob
 
Chippie said:
javis20 said:
enzed4 said:
I wonder if the US market E89's can be coded to lower the roof with the keyfob without comfort access (using Carly, NCS or similar), as this is easily do-able on other market's E89's (so it would seem to be a software setting that doesn't require the CA option). There may be an answer to this on this forum but I can't be faffed hunting for it right now....
Holy Grail option would be to code the roof to go up with the remote, without Comfort Access. Many have tried, none have succeeded (to my knowledge) :lol:
Click to expand...
I have tried everything possible to code the top down with NCS Expert on USA cars. No luck. Many others have tried as well, with no success. On coding forums, I have requested for anyone that might have a non-comfort access car, with keyfob top-down working, to send me their code file so I can compare with mine. No one has yet done that.
As I previously indicated, there is a German company with a module significantly cheaper, but requires significant wiring ability. And to be honest, I could probably program an arduino to do this, but the time and effort is just not worth it to me.
Click to expand...

I Have top down without comfort, uk car and I can send you a copy of anything you may need it you can PM me how to get the files, I’ve only used NCS expert a few times so it would help to know which files and how to save them,
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FRM and CAS module files. Also CTM (CVM) module files if you have... They can be saved to the default file suffix, else text.
 
javis20 said:
Chippie said:
javis20 said:
I have tried everything possible to code the top down with NCS Expert on USA cars. No luck. Many others have tried as well, with no success. On coding forums, I have requested for anyone that might have a non-comfort access car, with keyfob top-down working, to send me their code file so I can compare with mine. No one has yet done that.
As I previously indicated, there is a German company with a module significantly cheaper, but requires significant wiring ability. And to be honest, I could probably program an arduino to do this, but the time and effort is just not worth it to me.
Click to expand...

I Have top down without comfort, uk car and I can send you a copy of anything you may need it you can PM me how to get the files, I’ve only used NCS expert a few times so it would help to know which files and how to save them,
Click to expand...

FRM and CAS module files. Also CTM (CVM) module files if you have... They can be saved to the default file suffix, else text.
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PM sent
 
BTW, this is a link to the only guy whose has successfully coded a hardtop to open with the keyfob. However, he has a E93. I modified all the same parameters with no luck. Interestingly he has CTM/CVM module, and If I recall, I don't have that. All the parameters he indicated were in the CAS and FRM modules. I should note that some of the functions do work. Holding the remote open button, rolls down the windows and opens the side mirrors.

https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=631158
 
FYI - Chippie sent me his CAS and FRM files and I confirmed all my parameters "related to the convertible top" are set the same as his. He has a UK car and the top opens with remote. I have a USA car and the top doesn't open with remote.

I was able to close windows and fold in mirrors with the remote lock button and open windows and unfold mirrors with the remote open button.

BTW, I did confirm that the top opens with the physical key. You have turn and hold. Not really practical, but it works.
 
javis20 said:
FYI - Chippie sent me his CAS and FRM files and I confirmed all my parameters "related to the convertible top" are set the same as his. He has a UK car and the top opens with remote. I have a USA car and the top doesn't open with remote.

I was able to close windows and fold in mirrors with the remote lock button and open windows and unfold mirrors with the remote open button.

BTW, I did confirm that the top opens with the physical key. You have turn and hold. Not really practical, but it works.
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I wonder if it's some level of coding that is active when the the "National Version" option is set to USA?
Or, the US CVM/CTM module is different for the US than the rest of the world? A quick check on Realoem should show if there are different part numbers. (The part number for my car (Japan Region) is 61359281723 )
 
Looks like the part number you posted fits Z4's from 2008 to 2016.


61359266903
(03/01/2012 — 11/08/2013), Bilaterally exchangeable
61359264978
(09/01/2011 — 02/03/2012), Bilaterally exchangeable
61359240078
(03/01/2011 — 06/13/2013), Exchangeable retrospectively
61359221135
(12/01/2009 — 03/30/2011), Bilaterally exchangeable
61357206762
(09/01/2009 — 12/22/2009), Bilaterally exchangeable
61357206761
(01/26/2009 — 10/02/2009)

Part 61359281723 was found on the following vehicles:

Z4 E89   (01/2008 — 08/2016)

I would expect my car to have this one... 61359221135

Maybe I'll try to change country code in the CAS and see if that works.
 
javis20 said:
Looks like the part number you posted fits Z4's from 2008 to 2016.


61359266903
(03/01/2012 — 11/08/2013), Bilaterally exchangeable
61359264978
(09/01/2011 — 02/03/2012), Bilaterally exchangeable
61359240078
(03/01/2011 — 06/13/2013), Exchangeable retrospectively
61359221135
(12/01/2009 — 03/30/2011), Bilaterally exchangeable
61357206762
(09/01/2009 — 12/22/2009), Bilaterally exchangeable
61357206761
(01/26/2009 — 10/02/2009)

Part 61359281723 was found on the following vehicles:

Z4 E89   (01/2008 — 08/2016)

I would expect my car to have this one... 61359221135

Maybe I'll try to change country code in the CAS and see if that works.
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I'd be worried that could open a whole can of worms for other issues. I'm betting there are a heap of options/features that are dependent on the Region Code. From memory, when I've looked into coding with NCS, there seemed to be a lot of options specific to regions when coding (I was mainly looking at DRL coding at the time).
I guess as long as you have good backups, and can revert easily enough..... :?
 
I have one last thing to check. After previously comparing Chippie's CAS file to mine, I didn't find any real differences except some of the time delays. Now I'm wondering if that could be the problem.. Possible windows down conflicting with roof. Anyway, sometime this week I'll compare both files with notepad++ again and have a look at timings.
 
Javis20
As you said earlier that the roof works with the key then I would suspect it could be something to do with which module Receives the signal from the remote and then signals for the roof to open?
 
Tarzan said:
Hi And welcome

For you : https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=120016
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Unfortunately the doc you link to says quite clearly it will only work with option 322 Comfort Access. Javis20 doesn't have the CA option and is trying to find a way to code his car so he can put the roof down with the keyfob, which can be done with UK and other markets on E89's without CA, but seemingly can't be coded on US market E89's without CA.
 
My experience with the US model exactly - I couldn't be faffed (ha ha thanks enzed)
Works a charm with the smart top gizmo.
 
Smart Top cost too much. I could hire the neighbor kid to press and hold the roof button for less.
 
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