First petrol tax, now road usage tax raises up again!
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It says fuel duty would be phased out though? That's surely more than the 8-12p/km they plan on charging. also they say VED would be phased out... what's that exactly? Road Tax? :?
It's currently costing me 22p/km and isn't 70% of it tax?
EDIT: 48% is fuel duty making it go down to 10.5p. So making it 18.5-22.5p so probably going to be the same.
EDIT2: VED is road tax, so basically you'd save on that too, so not too bad if you look into the sums properly... well for me anyways!
It's currently costing me 22p/km and isn't 70% of it tax?
EDIT: 48% is fuel duty making it go down to 10.5p. So making it 18.5-22.5p so probably going to be the same.
EDIT2: VED is road tax, so basically you'd save on that too, so not too bad if you look into the sums properly... well for me anyways!
Beancounter1980
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why oh why... :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
I don't work for the UK, I work for myself. They have taken away my right to protest and now they are fricken thinking about charging me for my right to roam? as if the hard-working people in this country aren't being bent over enough!!!!
Now way can this happen, there will be uproar surely. Just another point for me wanting to emigrate.
I don't work for the UK, I work for myself. They have taken away my right to protest and now they are fricken thinking about charging me for my right to roam? as if the hard-working people in this country aren't being bent over enough!!!!
Now way can this happen, there will be uproar surely. Just another point for me wanting to emigrate.
if this lot get in again they will have carte blanche to raise the tax at will and they will do precisely that, they hate success and will make you pay, just wondering if i could run the z on dole money? just for comparison in france they have fantastic roads, no road tax 1st mot at 4 years and then every 2 years and i think its £35, by the way ours has gone up to£55!
Beancounter1980
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Whats the dole now? £45 or something innit?
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Breaker said:
+1
Rudd_2002 said:im off to australia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this country is so sh!t :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
Australia is no better than here, high taxes and even more of a nanny state.
My issue with this system is not so much the price they will charge but more the fact that it will cost millions to implement. Why not just bin ved and put more duty on fuel so that you are actually taxed for what you drive. Taxation based on CO2 emissions is ridiculous - for a start it makes diesels out to be squeaky clean and not polluting with lots of NOx. Secondly it's allegedly an environmental thing but the duty goes anywhere but roads or on environmental issues. Thirdly man made climate change is the biggest hoax of the 21st century!
The other reason I don't like this system is that it's an excuse to monitor us more closely so that if you exceed the speed limit they can automatically fine you. Or take it one step further and prevent your car going over the speed limit in the first place. Despite the wealth of evidence to the contrary about speed and accidents the government will still target 'speeders' in the name of safety.
Seasons? what are they. maybe in the east and on the west coast. In the middle there's just 6 months of winter and then 6 months of bad sledding.Tweed said:
Honestly, I can drive my zed for 6 months a year and my pickup for the other 6 months but at least I can afford the fuel ....
Beancounter1980
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ace said:
£90! Yup i heard they pay your council tax too. Why bother to drag yourself out of bed in the morning when you can sign on and have it all paid for..
I know of at least one family where the geezer has two wives, 6 kids. He lives in a mansion and has a Range Rover parked outside.
The geezer came from abroad, started applying for benefits and got married here. Never worked a day in his life, although he claims all benefits and still drives a Taxi!!!!
The only reason they are doing it is because they can, and drivers won't do anything about it.
How many people here support any motoring groups in the UK? Drivers alliance perhaps? Safe speed when they were stronger?
People whinge a lot on forums but then going and putting some money behind people who will actually do something about it is another.
All those who actually don't want to see these kinds of things happen, make sure you do something about it beyond forum whinging. Not an attack, just a motivator. Things won't change unless you do something active... even if that is just becoming a member of a group to be counted, and giving support where you can, then that is good enough!
You do have to wonder though, after the new digital economy bill was rushed through, how much of this new road charging is simply a lobbied policy from private business who make nice ANPR and road-side camera infrastructure.
Afterall, I could do essentially the same thing much more fairly for free. Yes!
Tax fuel a bit more.
Do more miles, use more fuel, pay more tax (same as road-pricing)
Do more miles on congested roads, use more fuel, pay more tax (same as road-pricing)
Drive harder and less efficiently, use more fuel, pay more tax
Drive a fuel efficient car, use less fuel, pay less tax
Fuel consumption already does 90% of the job fuel pricing would do, essentially for free.
BUT, we could spend billions making these cameras, millions more maintaining them, millions more administrating the charging system, emplyoing thousands in pointless jobs at OUR cost, eating into the very revenue the charging would generate.
If that isn't a tax on motorists simply to put other people in work to make employment look good and give some industries a few billion quid, I don't know what is... look to secret government lobbying for that motivation!
Also consider that it 'looks' green, so winning a few votes there.
My concern is that a drag on the productive sector of our economy (ie people commuting to work, industry logistics etc) will all be sapped dry to fund cameras and jobsworths under the name of being green and reducing congestion. Hmmmm... great way to drag an economy out of recession... drain yet MORE wealth from it to subsidise eomployment in non-productive public sectors and fund un-needed infrastructure (cameras)...
Rant over
(but I'm doing stuff about it by supporting drivers alliance and 38 degrees for instance, and writing to my local MP and whinging!)
Dave
How many people here support any motoring groups in the UK? Drivers alliance perhaps? Safe speed when they were stronger?
People whinge a lot on forums but then going and putting some money behind people who will actually do something about it is another.
All those who actually don't want to see these kinds of things happen, make sure you do something about it beyond forum whinging. Not an attack, just a motivator. Things won't change unless you do something active... even if that is just becoming a member of a group to be counted, and giving support where you can, then that is good enough!
You do have to wonder though, after the new digital economy bill was rushed through, how much of this new road charging is simply a lobbied policy from private business who make nice ANPR and road-side camera infrastructure.
Afterall, I could do essentially the same thing much more fairly for free. Yes!
Tax fuel a bit more.
Do more miles, use more fuel, pay more tax (same as road-pricing)
Do more miles on congested roads, use more fuel, pay more tax (same as road-pricing)
Drive harder and less efficiently, use more fuel, pay more tax
Drive a fuel efficient car, use less fuel, pay less tax
Fuel consumption already does 90% of the job fuel pricing would do, essentially for free.
BUT, we could spend billions making these cameras, millions more maintaining them, millions more administrating the charging system, emplyoing thousands in pointless jobs at OUR cost, eating into the very revenue the charging would generate.
If that isn't a tax on motorists simply to put other people in work to make employment look good and give some industries a few billion quid, I don't know what is... look to secret government lobbying for that motivation!
Also consider that it 'looks' green, so winning a few votes there.
My concern is that a drag on the productive sector of our economy (ie people commuting to work, industry logistics etc) will all be sapped dry to fund cameras and jobsworths under the name of being green and reducing congestion. Hmmmm... great way to drag an economy out of recession... drain yet MORE wealth from it to subsidise eomployment in non-productive public sectors and fund un-needed infrastructure (cameras)...
Rant over
(but I'm doing stuff about it by supporting drivers alliance and 38 degrees for instance, and writing to my local MP and whinging!)Dave