Ferrari Robbed in Montreal
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100% robbed. That was such a harsh decision by the stewards - I hope they feel the wrath this week!
Absolutely loved watching Vettel swap the position boards around though. That was absolutely priceless!
Absolutely loved watching Vettel swap the position boards around though. That was absolutely priceless!
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Terrible decision by the stewards.
Not only did it take away Vettel's win, but it deprived us of a battle between him and Hamilton in the closing laps.
Apparently Ferrari are going to appeal.
Not only did it take away Vettel's win, but it deprived us of a battle between him and Hamilton in the closing laps.
Apparently Ferrari are going to appeal.
Domenicali confirmed there is no formal appeal process :thumbsdown:
I hate Ferrari, they're a bunch of cry baby prima Donna's (sounds like Lewis' personality sometimes), but they deserved that win yesterday. It was clear they were the quickest car in a straight line all weekend and Vettel did great (apart from that one moment) to keep Lewis behind.
They were robbed, but ones loss is another's gain, and that is Lewis Hamiltons
Though this does show yet again, that Vettel seems to make mistakes when under pressure. He seems quite fragile at times.
I hate Ferrari, they're a bunch of cry baby prima Donna's (sounds like Lewis' personality sometimes), but they deserved that win yesterday. It was clear they were the quickest car in a straight line all weekend and Vettel did great (apart from that one moment) to keep Lewis behind.
They were robbed, but ones loss is another's gain, and that is Lewis Hamiltons
Though this does show yet again, that Vettel seems to make mistakes when under pressure. He seems quite fragile at times.
I know it is harsh, but he made a mistake and left the track which caused him to lose control of his car as he then rejoined straight back on to the racing line.
I know there is nothing he could of done about the rejoin, as he didn't have control of the car, but I guess that is the point - he left the track due to his mistake which cause him not to have control when he rejoined.
The same happened to Hamilton a few years ago, so as the commentators said, what goes around come around.
I don't think it deprived us of a race towards the end - Hamilton was trying to overtake but as usual with this new era, as soon as they get too close they lose all performance and really struggle.
I know there is nothing he could of done about the rejoin, as he didn't have control of the car, but I guess that is the point - he left the track due to his mistake which cause him not to have control when he rejoined.
The same happened to Hamilton a few years ago, so as the commentators said, what goes around come around.
I don't think it deprived us of a race towards the end - Hamilton was trying to overtake but as usual with this new era, as soon as they get too close they lose all performance and really struggle.
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Last year in Germany Vettel did something similar; under pressure, put it on the grass and on that occasion stuffed it into the wall.
What would reaction have been this time round if he'd stuffed it? Vettel can't handle the pressure?
Difference was that he dragged it back this time. I don't believe he could have done much more. The in-car footage showed him putting right lock on when back in the middle of the track. but that was a snap move to catch the back end. Without that he would have spun and probably taken them both out. It was that correction that moved him closer to the wall.
In that case, yes, I agree, the penalty was a bit harsh. But it was strictly (very strictly) by the rules, so it is those rules that need a review.
But........ don't make the mistake under pressure and the whole incident never happens.
What would reaction have been this time round if he'd stuffed it? Vettel can't handle the pressure?
Difference was that he dragged it back this time. I don't believe he could have done much more. The in-car footage showed him putting right lock on when back in the middle of the track. but that was a snap move to catch the back end. Without that he would have spun and probably taken them both out. It was that correction that moved him closer to the wall.
In that case, yes, I agree, the penalty was a bit harsh. But it was strictly (very strictly) by the rules, so it is those rules that need a review.
But........ don't make the mistake under pressure and the whole incident never happens.
Hamilton applied immense pressure on Vettel throughout the race which lead to his mistake. If it had happened further down the grid the penalty would have been applied and none of us would have cared. The same penalty has to be the same up front no matter how unfair we think it is. I agree with the penalty.
I don't believe it would have been any more or less fair if it were two other drivers further down the pack in an identical situation. Nothing Vettel did was malicious or an intention to gain an advantage. The fact Hamilton applied pressure and forced the error shows Vettel is human, but Vettel's management of the situation must be applauded - he avoided causing a collision and didn't just bail out into the wall. Hamilton's lightning fast reactions definitely helped in the situation as well, of course. I believe the stewards should spend more time working out what the situation was and how it was handled instead of reading the rules, saying "physics don't apply, he should have followed the rules, penalty applies."Lynchy said:
Quote on the BBC website
"Even if Ferrari can improve the car to the point that it can challenge Mercedes in every race, Vettel cannot expect to beat a rival who operates at the level Hamilton has reached in the last three years if he cannot find a way to reduce the frequency of those mistakes"
"Even if Ferrari can improve the car to the point that it can challenge Mercedes in every race, Vettel cannot expect to beat a rival who operates at the level Hamilton has reached in the last three years if he cannot find a way to reduce the frequency of those mistakes"
If Vettel had let Hamilton past immediately after the incident he had time to pass him on the long straight after the 'hairpin'. Ferrari had a faster car on the straights and he had a few laps to put that plan in place. His team should have told him to give Hamilton the place, then chase. They did not think quickly enough in my opinion.cerbera said:
I'm no Vettel or Ferrari fan-boy, but surely the stewards got this one wrong? F1 is rightly a non-contact sport, but surely close, hard pressing racing should be encouraged? Yes Hamilton pressurised Vettel into a mistake, but the geometry of that corner meant that Lewis was never going to be able to take advantage of the error. The only available line back onto the track and the momentum involved meant that Vettel could only end up where he did. The only other outcome would have involved stuffing the car into either wall, which probaby would have resulted in collecting Hamilton.
Some have said that Vettel gained an advantage due to the fact that he blocked off Hamilton's pass, but all things being equal, without the mistake, Vettel would still have emerged from that corner in the lead - Hamilton wasn't about to make an attempt at that point, so no advantage was or realistically could be gained. Both drivers showed great car control to avoid a collision. Whilst the rules may be clear on the nature of the infringement and the resulting penalty, there has to be some context and common sense in their application - something that I feel was missing here.
Some have said that Vettel gained an advantage due to the fact that he blocked off Hamilton's pass, but all things being equal, without the mistake, Vettel would still have emerged from that corner in the lead - Hamilton wasn't about to make an attempt at that point, so no advantage was or realistically could be gained. Both drivers showed great car control to avoid a collision. Whilst the rules may be clear on the nature of the infringement and the resulting penalty, there has to be some context and common sense in their application - something that I feel was missing here.
A pair of prima Donna's, both are good though, but vettal is a petulant child, his mommy didn't spank him enough methinks. He should act like a man. He made a mistake and should take it. Do you think drivers of say 30 years ago would act like this?
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PerryGunn said:
That made a reasonable read until the sentence in which Palmer said, and I quote, They (the stewards) interpreted it to mean that Vettel did not need to keep moving right, that he could have made another choice’ Which interestingly Palmer doesn’t go on say what that choice was. He was on the grass, so what was the other choice? Brake hard? He’d then be more out of control than he was when he returned to the track. Turn left? That would have put him in an out of control spin. He didn’t move right, he was on a straight line trajectory on the grass that he had to keep until he could regain control of his car again on the tarmac which squeezed the Merc, but Hamilton had more than enough time to see Vettel coming back on so had plenty of time to brake, which he did, it happens in racing.
Imho a racing incident that didn’t deserve a penalty. Ferrari indeed robbed. Poor form from the stewards for not allowing a non contact incident to pass without penalty.