F1 Halo proven

Personally I was a very very reluctant supporter of the halo brought in this year, I thought it spoilt the looks and ethos of open cockpit single seaters but if it stopped another incident like the Jules Bianchi tradegy I had to begrudgingly support it then after the Belgium GP who can argue against it? Who knows how C Leclerc would have fared without it, we’ll obviously never know but looking at all angles I think he would have been hurt definitely. Horrible looking frame but certainly does it job.
 

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I think it's like most F1 changes , you get used to it and if it saves one life it's worth it. Still makes me wonder if it hinders vision though.
 
I'm not convinced it would have hit his head - if you look at the top of the halo the mini aerofoil is undamaged, which means it was a glancing impact away from his head. The air intake behind probably did more to deflect the impact than the halo. Still not convinced the halo answers any meaningful safety question.
 
I cannot understand why the front strut has to be in the centre. Surely two front struts, one either side, would be better from a driver's viewpoint?

The halos were inevitable. It's for the same reason that all Le Mans cars have enclosed cockpits.
 
I guess if you had 2 front risers you would have 2 blind spots and possibly issues turning in at the correct time/spotting correct turn ins for corners.
 
As all cars must have the same, same handicap.

It’s when a change was done in the past to favour a certain team that got my goat
 
Check out @VincentJBruins’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/VincentJBruins/status/1034866917146812416?s=09
You may need Twitter to view this but video angle is :!:
 
I don't think it"s worth it. If you push to limits then you push to the ultimate limits. The IoM TT make s F1 look like a fashion parade. :wink:
 
Yep and from this pic I’m sure he avoided a face full of front tyre, halo did it’s job very well.
 

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buzyg said:
I don't think it"s worth it. If you push to limits then you push to the ultimate limits. The IoM TT make s F1 look like a fashion parade. :wink:

Fair shout buzy sir.... :lol:
 

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john-e89 said:
buzyg said:
I don't think it"s worth it. If you push to limits then you push to the ultimate limits. The IoM TT make s F1 look like a fashion parade. :wink:

Fair shout buzy sir.... :lol:
I think that pic may be the Macau GP.
You see a lot of pics of the riders that are so close to the wall that they pass spectators a few feet away and they can hardly be seen.
 
Nictrix said:
john-e89 said:
buzyg said:
I don't think it"s worth it. If you push to limits then you push to the ultimate limits. The IoM TT make s F1 look like a fashion parade. :wink:

Fair shout buzy sir.... :lol:
I think that pic may be the Macau GP.
You see a lot of pics of the riders that are so close to the wall that they pass spectators a few feet away and they can hardly be seen.
 
Nictrix said:
john-e89 said:
buzyg said:
I don't think it"s worth it. If you push to limits then you push to the ultimate limits. The IoM TT make s F1 look like a fashion parade. :wink:

Fair shout buzy sir.... :lol:
I think that pic may be the Macau GP.
You see a lot of pics of the riders that are so close to the wall that they pass spectators a few feet away and they can hardly be seen.

I think you’re right, that’s Michael Rutter who’s a bit of a specialist round there :o
Rob
 
I thought the halo looked cr*p, but after the Spa GP it made sense to have it. These days we don't expect F1 drivers to be dicing with death every time they race.

Which is what makes the IOM a whole different ball-game, because those riders really are doing just that every time they ride the course.

A rider died at the TT, and another at the Classic - those guys must have the biggest appendages in motorsport!

That's why I have the utmost respect for Peter Hickman - fastest man around the TT circuit ever.
 
john-e89 said:
Personally I was a very very reluctant supporter of the halo brought in this year, I thought it spoilt the looks and ethos of open cockpit single seaters but if it stopped another incident like the Jules Bianchi tradegy I had to begrudgingly support it then after the Belgium GP who can argue against it? Who knows how C Leclerc would have fared without it, we’ll obviously never know but looking at all angles I think he would have been hurt definitely. Horrible looking frame but certainly does it job.

Except it wouldn't have stopped Jules Bianchi from dieing, so it's pointless using that as an argument for it. He died due to the sudden deceleration, not a hit to the head, according to the professionals.

I don't mind it anymore. Yes it looks terrible, but who really cares? F1 has become so boring, so it makes sense to add more boring and ugly stuff to the cars.
 
ben g said:
john-e89 said:
Personally I was a very very reluctant supporter of the halo brought in this year, I thought it spoilt the looks and ethos of open cockpit single seaters but if it stopped another incident like the Jules Bianchi tradegy I had to begrudgingly support it then after the Belgium GP who can argue against it? Who knows how C Leclerc would have fared without it, we’ll obviously never know but looking at all angles I think he would have been hurt definitely. Horrible looking frame but certainly does it job.

Except it wouldn't have stopped Jules Bianchi from dieing, so it's pointless using that as an argument for it. He died due to the sudden deceleration, not a hit to the head, according to the professionals.

I don't mind it anymore. Yes it looks terrible, but who really cares? F1 has become so boring, so it makes sense to add more boring and ugly stuff to the cars.

The point I’m making about the halo in Bianchi’s accident is that his helmet hit the counter weight, it didn’t rupture as it was a glancing blow, on the crane meaning the counter weight was low, therefore the halo would have taken the hit first along its side. As it’s curved in design who’s to say it wouldn’t have deflected the car enough to avoid it getting suddenly wedged by the air box and roll over hoop enough so that the car hit the absorbing barriers instead so taking the inertia out of the impact and preventing the sudden stop injury.

Nobody will ever know obviously but it’s hardly ‘pointless’, this accident was one of the main reasons, amongst others, why the halo was designed in the first place.
 
Interesting that max verstappens view of the leclerc accident is that his head was never in danger and the halo made no difference. Yes the halo was impacted, but his head wasn't in the impact area, so in his view, the halo wasn't a contributing factor to the outcome.
 
RickRob said:
I cannot understand why the front strut has to be in the centre. Surely two front struts, one either side, would be better from a driver's viewpoint?

+1 although I'm assuming that its placed in such a way as to sit between the focus point of the eyes (in line with your nose) effectively becoming peripheral (try it hold your hand in front of you and focus at something 20+ meters away) and when turning corners its out of the picture all together tbh its not all that common for an F1 driver to need to look straight ahead for any real length of time anyway.
 
How about... we let the drivers decide if they want to run a halo or not? Lets see how many non supporters would actually run without one, given the choice?
 
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