ph001 said:
J400uk said:
Surely it’s subjective depending what you want from the car? I’m after a comfortable and quick daily driver with reasonably entertaining handling.
...but that just sounds like an E89. Everything I have read so far leaves me wondering what exactly this car offers over a 35is?? Some reviews do say it is significantly better in a lot of areas, but to my mind it's not in any of the areas that make it a better
sports car.
The fact you can buy a new one... The E89 was discontinued more than 18 months ago and the E89 was released in 2009 even the facelift didnt add too much to that now near 10 year old design.
Not everyone wants a pre-owned car.
Finding a 35IS that ticks all the boxes is really hard, many were bogo spec upsells for 2.3 owners on a 3-4 year pcp plans because the sales figures were so poor. Even with discounts they were expensive enough that the the engine superseded the other specifications. Higher end specs are hard to find. Those cars that exist and have low milage are more than a Z4M coupe. The Z4 is a niche product and the majority of people looking to spend that money on a pre owned would be better served from a financial point of view from and M which are basically similar money but have surpassed their lowest residual point. There is only one direction for more expensive E89s and thats down.
You could look at it that if the new one is a failure then it will increase sales of the E89 but it wont, people looking to spend that money wont look at a 3-4 year old pre owned car they want the latest and greatest.
Problem with the forum dynamic. BMW have left the Z4 in the dust the E89 had such poor residuals that it made no sense to buy it so most didnt. The people who did had nothing to upgrade to so have moved on to other brands. The fact there wasnt an M left many out in the cold and they lost many previous owners. Essentially 10 years of loosing a specific type of customer.
The forum isnt full of people willing to spend £53k on a new car, thats why there is so much backlash about this car, frankly im sick of reading it. If you compare it to everything in its category bogo boxster, bogo F type, TTs its the cheaper spec for spec and will outperform the competition in almost every area. Cost, engine size, speed, equipment etc etc. You have to remember that £53k is the top end thats everything on the spec sheet.
Im not saying its a sensible buy it will depreciate like all BMWs, but if you want new and you have a standard PCP that you swap out I dont think its a poor option. For example a 440i well specced will be in the same ball park... would you pay 53k for a 4 series? The m4 starts at 60k, spec one of those up and your well into 70k...
Reality check... new cars arent cheap. If you PCP that 53k could be £400 a month and thats all people are bothered about.
A boxster S starts at 50k can be speced over 75k puts it in a completely different bracket. Current Z4s that have been for sale for the last 5 years have been no where near that price point. Most people on the forum are enthusiasts that see the Z4 as a good value proposition. The majority of those cars are 15-50% the price of these new cars... This is the problem when you leave a product out in the cold for so long.
A positive you could take is that the boxster didn't get a gleaming review either 4 stars, evo is harsh
https://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/718-boxster/s
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