EU referendum

Poll Poll In or Out ?

  • Would you prefer UK to remain in EU?

    Votes: 22 24.4%

  • Would you prefer UK to leave the EU?

    Votes: 45 50.0%

  • Still on the fence, need more convincing one way or the other.

    Votes: 23 25.6%
  • Total voters
    90
  • Poll closed .
Good post El Pollo Diablo, and fair play to you for finding somewhere you want to live your life!

Whatever the outcome of the referendum I hope you (am sure you will) get to stay where you want to be! :thumbup:
 
AlfaScozzesi said:
SNP don't want Britain to leave Europe but if it does then another vote will be held as it was a pillar of the United Britain campaign that if Scotland got independence they wouldn't remain a part of the EU. This fact was backed up by the EU under pressure / influence from the British government so is perfectly logical.

I would just point out at this point that although a proud Scot a united Britain is preferable to me but also a Britain in Europe.
Click to expand...

Good luck with that then - there were about 4 million Jocks voting in the independence malarkey! But even having the independence vote suggests to me that a "united" Britain is not what many Scots want!

And what about the other 50+ million UK voters - we never got to say whether we wanted to keep Scotland in the Union - and frankly I didn't and still don't! (Despite my father being born in Muir-of-Ord).

Another example of rule by the minority! Just like the EU, which the Scots seem desperate to stay in like the Poles, Romanians, Greeks and other failing nations!
 
I think leaving would be a step backwards.

Isolation is never a good strategy for future development and prosperity, as proved time and time again.

When you also consider world players such as China, Russia and the US-Europe needs to stick together.
 
skelters said:
Angie4m said:
Skelters, you've got way too much time on your hands :lol:
Click to expand...

Not at all.

Two years of Westminster Propaganda and threats from the very same people that promised Scotland....

No Job losses
Steel Industry OK
Banks etc will not relocate
Oil Industry safe
No threat to EU
Strongest devolved powers the world.

Now these very same people are telling us that we'd be better out of the EU or better in the EU.

They do not have a clue.

At least maybe this time they won't be phoning the pensioners and scaring the s**t out of them with threats of losing their pensions or sending up English activists to campaign.

You're only going to get 4 months of the English Propaganda, threats, smears and fears from the media.

It's not about the EU it's all about London and f**k the rest.

Will wait and see how the Fiscal Framework result is tomorrow for Scotland but I think it's safe to say last one out turn off the lights.
Click to expand...
Nice.
I was thinking while reading this thread about how similar it was sounding to the Scottish referendum and reasons for wanting to leave the union.
It seems the UKs reasons for leaving Europe are very similar to the reasons Scotland had for leaving UK.
 
Mr Tidy said:
AlfaScozzesi said:
SNP don't want Britain to leave Europe but if it does then another vote will be held as it was a pillar of the United Britain campaign that if Scotland got independence they wouldn't remain a part of the EU. This fact was backed up by the EU under pressure / influence from the British government so is perfectly logical.

I would just point out at this point that although a proud Scot a united Britain is preferable to me but also a Britain in Europe.
Click to expand...

Good luck with that then - there were about 4 million Jocks voting in the independence malarkey! But even having the independence vote suggests to me that a "united" Britain is not what many Scots want!

And what about the other 50+ million UK voters - we never got to say whether we wanted to keep Scotland in the Union - and frankly I didn't and still don't! (Despite my father being born in Muir-of-Ord).

Another example of rule by the minority! Just like the EU, which the Scots seem desperate to stay in like the Poles, Romanians, Greeks and other failing nations!
Click to expand...

So just in the same way that the Tories manifesto said they would hold a referendum on the EU, most people probably voted for them in respect of policies such as how they would tackle the economy, immigration, benefits etc and not really thinking about the EU. We've already had people saying that they voted torie and how DC is stupid for agreeing to this but actually they voted for it.

The SNP also had the referendum in their manifesto along with things like freezing council tax, more money for education and health services etc. I must admit it was not as prominent (the referendum) as the Tories pledge.........plus I don't think people actually thought that the SNP would get a majority as they hadn't before so why would it happen last time.

I voted SNP last Holyrood election and I voted NO in the referendum. I voted for SNP based on their polices and not the fact they were going to hold a referendum, I completely glazed over that fact. Skip to the general election and once again I voted Torie again based on their policies and what they had done so far....plus it will be a cold day in hell if I vote Labour but again I knew the EU referendum was in the manifesto but that wasn't why I voted for them.

So quite clearly you seem to think that just because people have voted for someone who pledges these things that they want it. Guess what they don't.

Just like more Scots voted other parties than the SNP at the last general election that shows me that there are more 'jocks' as you say (you don't just have to be Scottish to vote in Scotland btw) voting against the SNP and their regurgitated $hite
 
Well if this forum is any sort of barometer of public opinion its a resounding out come the vote.

I think there's only two folks so far in favour of staying and by far the most vocal of these (domsz4) has "personal motivation" rather than "whats best for the country" at the heart of their argument.

I'm currently undecided and have heard the arguments for and against, but want to learn/understand a lot more before making a final decision. However that said at the moment my thinking is if we had trade agreements in place with the EU to protect business going forward and then save a net £6 billion to spend on the likes of UK NHS, Roads etc instead of far away lands whats wrong with that. Sounds like the best of both worlds. In fact with more money available to the UK government to spend at home perhaps there would be funding for research projects such as domsz4. Probably wishful thinking I know!

I do wonder what this means for Cameron's future. Politically can he survive such a public beating. At this rate Bumbling Boris must be a decent bet on being PM by the Autumn. I'm not really a betting man but would love to know what odds you can get on that!
 
On the fence for me - pros and cons to both arguments. This article is very much for in, but makes some interesting points worth considering if you are on the fence...

http://www.andywilliamson.com/10-points-to-consider-about-brexit-and-the-eu-referendum/
 
Taz said:
i believe we pay £20 billion and get £14 billion back in subsidies etc. so it cost us £6 billion a year. where does that money go and how do we benefit from it
Click to expand...

Siemens UK alone had an annual turnover of £5 billion. - Half of that for European customers.

Other German companies in the UK have a combined turnover of more than £200 Billion and employ more than 370,000 people.

I'm working for a dutch company in the UK. We have invested £31 Million in the last two years and even got an Award for Investing in the Region. (East London)

Subsidies make headlines and people then focus on that. Make yourselves familiar with the whole picture before the referendum, make sure you all get your facts straight before your economy takes a hit. :)

Taz, this is not personal in any way :thumbsup:
 
I'm an in. Great Britain is not that great these days (in terms of world domination, "I've put a flag in that, it's mine") so to leave the EU would have far flung financial implications. We may recover but it'll be a good 10-15 years and i don't think the country would cope with that especially after the global downturn of the economy in recent years. Also why would manufactures like BMW mini want to stay in the UK? Export charges would probably make them want to move production outside the UK. Better to have import charges to one country than to many. There are many other business I can see leaving too.
 
I think if the UK leaves then it will be the catalyst for the slow breakup of the EU. With other nations, more so their citizens pushing for an exit, or at least fundamental core changes.

I would also suggest that recent terror attacks in France have pushed a percentage of the undecided to an exit vote.
 
How do we decide?
The facts are all mixed up in political spin and claptrap.
People like of Farage bang on about Europe but he takes a salaray from the Euro parliament ?

Does each generation need a vote? We've had one vote and I suppose if the nation votes to withdraw from Europe this time, will the next one be to join again.

I'm voting to stay IN - as it's impossible to influence any rules of a club or society if you're not a member. We will still be working under EU rules and laws if a member or not .
 
Gustavo7 said:
Taz said:
i believe we pay £20 billion and get £14 billion back in subsidies etc. so it cost us £6 billion a year. where does that money go and how do we benefit from it
Click to expand...

Siemens UK alone had an annual turnover of £5 billion. - Half of that for European customers.

Other German companies in the UK have a combined turnover of more than £200 Billion and employ more than 370,000 people.

I'm working for a dutch company in the UK. We have invested £31 Million in the last two years and even got an Award for Investing in the Region. (East London)

Subsidies make headlines and people then focus on that. Make yourselves familiar with the whole picture before the referendum, make sure you all get your facts straight before your economy takes a hit. :)

Taz, this is not personal in any way :thumbsup:
Click to expand...

this is just the info/feed back I want so I can take it personal in a good way lol

so if we pull out of the EU will companies such as these all pack up ad go home/elsewhere
 
Probably worth highlighting that this forum isn't a great barometer for UK political opinion, being a group of like minded (mainly male) sportscar owners puts us in a different catagory to a lot of the population.

I'm on the fence for this referendum, on the whole i think union is the way forward, but in it's current form the EU isn't great, and is on a path to make itself more controlling, and worse. I guess i'm somewhat closer to exit than stay, but if someone can make avalid case for why one or the other, or why not exit - i'm all ears.
 
Taz said:
so if we pull out of the EU will companies such as these all pack up ad go home/elsewhere
Click to expand...

Take Norway as an example. They are not a member of the European Union and despite their healthy economy they struggle, in many sectors, to sell their products in Europe - they pay taxes to export to EU members. Their Exports decreased by 34% since 2011.

Other European Union members take advantage of that, including Poland, whose Exports grew by 37% since 2010. Today, they export twice as much as Norway. And Norway exports 6 times as much Oil as Poland.

Believe it or not, they are at times more competitive than Norway on the Fish Market, which is the second strongest export of Norway (after Oil).
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom