Energy costs (again)
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Everyone here in NL received a 'free' chunk of change (€250/month) from the government via a rebate from their energy suppliers in Nov and Dec as a subsidy to rising energy costs.
It meant that I actually made a profit of €88/month which I happily accepted.
I feel however it might just be placating tactics for when energy prices will really start to go up and begin panicking people into thinking of chopping up furniture for firewood ...
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It meant that I actually made a profit of €88/month which I happily accepted.
I feel however it might just be placating tactics for when energy prices will really start to go up and begin panicking people into thinking of chopping up furniture for firewood ...
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At the summit of the picturesque fens
We in the UK get £400 divided by six months, so £67 a month until April. About the same overall.Chris_D said:
No-one has explained why energy prices are going to rise again when wholesale prices have been falling since the Autumn and are now roughly the same as they were two years ago. :?
Pondrew said:
This is what I don't understand, and to add ontop it's predicted energy prices won't fall to levels of 12 months ago for a few years to come, why not? It feels like the energy companies are making crazy profits (if true) yet seemingly can carry on charging what they like and using the old chestnut demand is outsripping supply :?
Tim.
The way energy prices are calculated is a con and needs sorting. We all should be paying less.
If green energy from wind and solar is all that is required on any given day for the Nations energy needs, then the tariff is that of renewables which is cheap.
If however this is not sufficient and the nations power supply needs topping up from gas fired power stations, even if it only the slightest amount, then instead of being charged for the renewable energy at the renewable energy price plus the gas price for the remainder, the whole lot is charged at the gas price.
The renewable producers are making a killing. Not only are they getting the higher price but they also get the green subsidies we are all paying on our bills. The whole thing is a rip off.
If green energy from wind and solar is all that is required on any given day for the Nations energy needs, then the tariff is that of renewables which is cheap.
If however this is not sufficient and the nations power supply needs topping up from gas fired power stations, even if it only the slightest amount, then instead of being charged for the renewable energy at the renewable energy price plus the gas price for the remainder, the whole lot is charged at the gas price.
The renewable producers are making a killing. Not only are they getting the higher price but they also get the green subsidies we are all paying on our bills. The whole thing is a rip off.
axelleveau
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Nanu said:
That's why you need a nationalised energy supply but I'll probably be called a commi and told only the tories can lead us in those troubled times
Devon
Smartbear said:
An independent pay review body determines the pay level based on many factors. Demanding a 10% or higher pay rise for a temporary inflation situation beggars belief. It is unaffordable and makes future pay rises even more expensive.
Private sector pay increases are on average 4%, so why public sector staff should get more makes no sense especially as they already have much better secondary benefits.
pvr said:
Office for National statistics shows 2.2% public opposed to 6.6% private up to September last year, when you consider they pay much more tax than self employed people you can understand why they struggle to recruit enough staff.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/articles/professionalandscientificindustrytheonlyonewherepaycontinuestomatchrisingprices/2022-11-23
Rob
ThePocketGT
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Where did you get that idea?Smartbear said:
I have been self employed for over 30 years and can assure you I have paid more than my fair share of taxes. Remember we have Class 2 and Class 4 NI. I have also never had a penny of pension conts from anyone, other than myself from my earnings.
A discussion on public and private sector employment rates is never going to end in agreement, especially with you Rob, as people like PVR and I look at it from the polar opposite viewpoint to you, for obvious reasons.
Pondrew said:Where did you get that idea?Smartbear said:
I have been self employed for over 30 years and can assure you I have paid more than my fair share of taxes. Remember we have Class 2 and Class 4 NI. I have also never had a penny of pension conts from anyone, other than myself from my earnings.
A discussion on public and private sector employment rates is never going to end in agreement, especially with you Rob, as people like PVR and I look at it from the polar opposite viewpoint to you, for obvious reasons.
Merely responding to pvr who seems to delight in giving public sector workers a kicking, i never instigate this subject but like to address any obvious falsehoods that are bandied around.
As a paye tax payer we certainly don’t get the opportunity to offset any tax liability by producing receipts for traveling to work for example.
Pvr didn’t answer my question as to wether he considers nurses are overpaid either, he’s obviously got some kind of grudge about the workers doing these jobs.
Rob
I will answer from my point of view if I may? Nurses (and most frontline NHS staff) should be paid a lot more IMO.Smartbear said:
BUT then so should most in the private care sector; they generally are paid minimum wage for a job that most wouldn't do.
Of course if the NHS (and all public sectors) stopped overpaying by billions for out-sourced services and wasting public money on a daily basis the savings would mean all the frontline workers could be paid decently and everyone would be happy, except the people ripping off the NHS and making millions.
I went out to dinner with a mate who fabricates stainless parts for hospitals yesterday; he always tells me how he sees money being wasted just from his small side of it.
Pay levels as such are fine, but not compared to the overpaid train drivers and “management” levels within the government sector.
Having written the interfaces between finance systems and Paymaster General (government “bank”), I visited most public sector and semi public sector departments across the UK. It certainly gave me an insight on what is (not) going on there.
So when I hear about strikes for pay, I do have my opinions having seen what is actually done and militant unions are not helping.
The recent HMRC reported home working effect made it very clear for who home working works and for who it doesn’t.
Having written the interfaces between finance systems and Paymaster General (government “bank”), I visited most public sector and semi public sector departments across the UK. It certainly gave me an insight on what is (not) going on there.
So when I hear about strikes for pay, I do have my opinions having seen what is actually done and militant unions are not helping.
The recent HMRC reported home working effect made it very clear for who home working works and for who it doesn’t.