end of an era: clean license is gone

lacroupade said:
Point being, if you are certain of getting three points as opposed to a course, you've nothing to lose by writing politely asking what their stance is on ACPO guidance....which is that transgressor should be done if exceeding speed limit+10%+3mph.....which is dead on your 80mph.

The ACPO Speed Enforcement Guidelines;

Speedlimit 70, Fixed Penalty 79 mph +, Summons 96 mph +
So 1 mph over :( ........... and as most speedos over read the indicated road speed was probably higher :wink:

But always worth a letter
 
A summons at 96+ mph. I thought it was an instant ban over 100 mph?

What happens to those caught between 96-99mph?

Matt
 
braingirl said:
I believe they have 14 days to get it to you

is this actually true, or is it an urban myth?

Well, you wouldn't get away with it if the post was slow over the Christmas period I don't think.
THink it's a myth personally, and I don't think they would even send it if they knew it fell outside of the 2 week period if that was a limit. And although my licence is clean, I did get some rubbish sent to me once and I'm sure it was well over two weeks since my car was in the town it got gatsoed in. THink it was more like 5 or 6 weeks afterwards. THis was in Cardiff back in early 2005.

By the way, that's a very nice brain you have there. Nom nom nom.
 
I know how you feel - i was done at 83mph on slow lane of motorway.

Speed trap on a bridge, no warning signs and he was wearing all black, what a great way to make some cash Mr C
 
Darren M said:
braingirl said:
I believe they have 14 days to get it to you

is this actually true, or is it an urban myth?

Well, you wouldn't get away with it if the post was slow over the Christmas period I don't think.
THink it's a myth personally, and I don't think they would even send it if they knew it fell outside of the 2 week period if that was a limit. And although my licence is clean, I did get some rubbish sent to me once and I'm sure it was well over two weeks since my car was in the town it got gatsoed in. THink it was more like 5 or 6 weeks afterwards. THis was in Cardiff back in early 2005.

That's a very nice brain you have there. Nom nom nom.

No myth, it is the law.14 days excluding day of offence, even if there is a postal strike they have to find another way to get it to you. I got someone off because of the strike last time.
 
pvr said:
No myth, it is the law.14 days excluding day of offence, even if there is a postal strike they have to find another way to get it to you. I got someone off because of the strike last time.

Exactly right. Just found this also. Cheers

http://www.motorlawyers.co.uk/procedure/notice_of_intended_prosecution.htm
 
Mafoo said:
A summons at 96+ mph. I thought it was an instant ban over 100 mph?

What happens to those caught between 96-99mph?

Matt

Anything 96 miles per hour and over from an automatic device attracts a summons rather than the offer of a fixed penalty. The summons requires court attendance which allows the Mags depending on the circumstances to disqualify you for a period of anything from 1-8 weeks on first conviction and with a clean licence, if you have more points/motoring convictions then a higher disqual. period.
 
I know somebody who was clocked at 102 briefly who got away with 3 point and £60 on the spot from an unmarked bike who pulled him over. Also somebody this week in Barnsley who got done doing 35 in a 30, so I don't believe there are any hard and fast rules.
 
I think thats the great benefit of the traditional traffic police. At least you have a conversation with a human being and a greater chance of a more reasonable response. I will try the letter route. Worth a shot.
 
I know someone who was nabbed at a max of 108mph on the M4, and the nice police man in the unmarked car that had been videoing him for five miles gave him 3 points and wrote 96mph on the FPN... Sometimes being very apologetic really helps apparently!
 
srhutch said:
I know somebody who was clocked at 102 briefly who got away with 3 point and £60 on the spot from an unmarked bike who pulled him over. Also somebody this week in Barnsley who got done doing 35 in a 30, so I don't believe there are any hard and fast rules.

You are absolutely right- there are no hard and fast rules that's why they are called 'guidelines' - local police areas can adopt different guidelines depending on the circumstances ie driving at 35 mph past a school at 8.30 when kids are about may be seen as an offence but 35mph in an empty urban street may not. What is an absolute fact in law is that any excess over the speed limit is an offence so driving at 31mph in a 30 is techically an offence.

Any cop who does as you say Srhutch - reducing the 'clocked' speed (102 to a recorded 96) to allow for someone to get a ticket instead of a court appearance and potential disqualification is doing them a real favour! However for a police vehicle to record the speed of a vehicle using the fitted certified speedometer as a measure the guidelines (note the use of the word) say that the speed must be measured over a distance of not less than 2/10ths of a mile and whilst this guys speed may have briefly hit 102mph it is generally the average speed over that distance which is taken.

Loads about NIP stuff on the internet and on the Forum but the Notice of Intended Prosecution must be served with 14 days excluding the day of the offence by normal post (changed from recorded delivery in 1995) ON THE REGISTERED KEEPER who if not the driver at the time of the offence is obligated under Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act to identify the keeper. Failure to notify is a specific offence in itself.
 
Agree with AlanJ. I like to think it's down to common sense of the situation and I guess that's also why they're called guidelines. Speeding is speeding but it's environment can be different as can geographic attitudes (increased no. of offenses in Staffs vs. Suffolk etc) so I guess that's why it varies. Speaking as somebody who has a clean license and got caught by Sussex police camera on bridge over A23 a month ago doing - by their numbers, 84 in a 70, it was a lottery as to whether I received points of offer of SAC.

My thoughts on the whole thing were - a) I'd been caught, b) I was speeding and c) I've sped a lot in the past 15 years and been lucky not to have been caught before. I was offered the SAC have accepted that option and even before I take it the result has been me being less heavy on the throttle. I cant promise it will remain that way but it's definitely had the girlfriend grabbing the passenger door handle less since it happened :)
 
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