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I presume all vehicle batteries are still Li-ion at present? If so, is fast charging to 80% or so in 20 minutes not going to cause battery problems sooner rather than later? How much does a replacement battery cost for an average EV? :|BeeEmm said:
Pondrew said:Everybody can. A massive majority of new cars are either leased or PCP (same thing in reality). You don't have to be rich to have expensive cars anymore. That's why every other car on the council estate is a Range Rover.
I have a £25k new car on the drive, costs me £115.00 plus VAT a month including road tax for three years, then just hand it back and get another one.
Electric car, though, no thanks.
Dude... no.
With a £3k deposit you would be paying £536.56 per month for the electric lunchbox mentioned here at its most basic model level, no options etc
The new M135i with a £3k deposit would be £433.20 per month :?
A basic bitch 3 series 320i MSport again same deposit is £413.43 per month.
And to tie it back to your council estate jibe an Evoke with a £3k deposit is £396.48 a month. :roll:
I am yet to be told how, the current and earlier generations of electric cars are helping the planet. I heard recently they are now trawling the deep ocean floor for precious metals for battery production. So as someone who has little interest in superfluous technology and prefers ownership to renting. (I spent £1300 on my current daily shed three years ago. It ows my nothing, it's fun to drive, practical and cheap to both run/maintain. I will leave you to guess where I sit wrt current electric cars. (no pun intended there) :wink:
The elephant in the room that needs to be addressed long term, is too many folk on this small planet, not cars. Cars are simply one more first world sideshow/distraction. Right now, we are just pliable consumers in all of this. Wish I had some more constructive answers.
Your Sincerely T-Rex
The elephant in the room that needs to be addressed long term, is too many folk on this small planet, not cars. Cars are simply one more first world sideshow/distraction. Right now, we are just pliable consumers in all of this. Wish I had some more constructive answers.
Your Sincerely T-Rex
buzyg said:.
Your Sincerely T-Rex
Is that because you’re a 20th Century Boy Buzy? :exitright:
I read a review yesterday (on What Car website) of Toyota Mirai which uses hydrogen fuel cell technology. The review itself is pretty underwhelming. Weirdly they didn't even specify the range. But I could see this technology being the answer to some of the current issues with batteries & charge points providing hydrogen can offer a decent range from tanks that don't dominate the space. Maybe the ideal would be a hybrid battery / hydrogen combo with (say) a battery range of 100 miles & hydrogen kicking in thereafter?
BeeEmm said:
Of which there are 14... in the whole of the UK. With 2 more being built currently... might struggle to storm the world once the energizer bunny runs out :roll:
Buzyg is 100% right, the lithium industry is a unbelievably dirty industry and it requires vast amounts of water and that requirement also often comes in places where thats a valuable commodity AND they end up polluting the water table devastating the local ecosystems
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Who remembers when the buzz word was "Diesel" when buying new cars. Everyone was told to buy them, how great they were (still are) etc etc
Now they are the worst things to be seen in, if you believe what you read or are told.
The most polluting part of any vehicle is in the building of it, electric vehicles are far more polluting to make than a fossil burner.
So called 'green' vehicles, run on batteries, which need charging.
The mining and use of materials used to make these batteries are not pleasant on the environment.
Just how long will the batteries last ? what do they do with all these spent batteries, once they give up?
Only time will tell, but don't be surprised if you start to hear about battery mountains, polluting the world in a few years, and maybe... how bad electric vehicles really are
Now they are the worst things to be seen in, if you believe what you read or are told.
The most polluting part of any vehicle is in the building of it, electric vehicles are far more polluting to make than a fossil burner.
So called 'green' vehicles, run on batteries, which need charging.
The mining and use of materials used to make these batteries are not pleasant on the environment.
Just how long will the batteries last ? what do they do with all these spent batteries, once they give up?
Only time will tell, but don't be surprised if you start to hear about battery mountains, polluting the world in a few years, and maybe... how bad electric vehicles really are
BeeEmm said:
There are only 600 stations in the USA... thats not that far ahead of us in terms of land mass.
As has been rightly pointed out Hydrogen is realistically the future here and throwing stacks of cash into the furnace to power these full EVs is like throwing out all your music and buying it on minidisk... remember those :roll:
You can of course use normal chargers or charge at home. Hydrogen sounds great, I have been following progress over the past 5 years. It has been very slow. Electric cars do need competition to push them to better things. As for throwing out all my music, I use Tidal, at home, in the car, in the street. I haven't had CDs or LPs for years, or mini discs (whatever those are). Where have you been?Flyingfifer said:
BeeEmm said:
Of course you can but that wasn't your point, 18mins is a great sound bite but not that great when its not actually a reality.
Progress has been slow but its been slow due to a lack of investment.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're being facetious rather than completely failing to grasp the minidisk analogy :roll:
firebobby said:So no brakes or suspension components to service then, amazing vehiclesWoodrow said:So I have an electric van. The savings I’ve made are immense. I bought it used so none of the new prices and tax. In town I’m not paying any congestion and often not paying parking as silly councils in their rush for green labels haven’t put parking charges on street chargers. Often charging from these are free as well. Comments about waiting hours or days to charge are just wrong. You charge and electric only to 80 percent which is always under 30 minutes. Mine takes 22 and after 80 percent it goes into trickle charge. 80 percent gives me around 140 miles. Over night at home I leave it on charge as my EV tariff only charges 5 pence per KW. I can fully charge over night for around 70 pence. There’s no servicing costs as there’s nothing to Service. I’ve had 24000 miles of quiet worry free motoring for less than a couple of tanks of regular fuel. Having said that I can’t compare against an electric car but when I turn off ECO button on my van and with my tools loaded I can wheel spin all the way to 30 mph
With regen you hardly ever use the brakes so they should last 3/4 times as long as on a ICE car.
Thought the government was already stopping the subsidy of the EV so the prices will go up rather than down?
I was told that the new Porsche Taycan would be best as a company vehicle as the purchase price was 100% deducatable from business profit and no personal charge for it, but I see that they are already changing that now as well. Don't want to step into something that will bite me later with the usual retrospective charges they do.
I was told that the new Porsche Taycan would be best as a company vehicle as the purchase price was 100% deducatable from business profit and no personal charge for it, but I see that they are already changing that now as well. Don't want to step into something that will bite me later with the usual retrospective charges they do.
greggy50 said:
This is true, F1 tech in the real world, love to see it!
But, the battery replacements cost upwards of £4k, batteries are either bought outright as part of the vehicle or you need to lease them which is an additional cost, also the actual servicing costs isn't massively different in reality. The range of the car also diminishes as it ages and the battery is cycled I believe its around 2 or 3% per year, which doesn't sound like much but the Kia would lose around 9 miles from every charge each year.
There is a reason that electric cars seem to lose vast value in depreciation as they age a 2016 Nissan Leaf with only 12k miles is worth 70% less today than it was new, that's about the same as the Z4 coupe in 10 less years
I like the idea of 100% electric cars. I have some interest in the environment, but not as much as many others. My feeling at this stage is, are they any worse than the internal combustion engine? Range is a problem and charging is a problem. It is getting better so I ask myself, when do I buy? What am I looking for from 100% electric car?
I want similar things to my internal combustion engine (ICE) car. Comfortable interior, good acceleration and a quiet cabin. Yes, the sound of a V8 is lovely, a BMW straight six thumping away is great, but I don’t want it all the time. When driving slowly on the M25 or any road for that matter, my pleasure turns to music. Being able to hear my sounds clearly at any speed is heaven to me.
At the moment I have a BMW 545e, which is a plug in hybrid. It has a 3 lire straight six engine and an electric motor. I have had it for six weeks and not put any petrol in yet. I charge it overnight. It takes about 5 hours to charge from zero using a normal 13 amp plug, but I usually charge it to 100% from 40%. It only does 24 miles from a full charge, which you might think is ludicrous, but I use it to take my wife to work, return home, pick her up again then return home again. That is a normal working day. It is all done on electric. I have done two long journeys where I used the ICE. If I use the navigation map the car works out that I need electric power only for London, Birmingham or wherever else has a congestion charge, and saves enough electric to power the car through those zones. I am told that most people’s journey to work is less than 16 miles so you could use a plug in hybrid and charge it at work.
I will buy a 100% electric car, but I don’t yet know when.
I want similar things to my internal combustion engine (ICE) car. Comfortable interior, good acceleration and a quiet cabin. Yes, the sound of a V8 is lovely, a BMW straight six thumping away is great, but I don’t want it all the time. When driving slowly on the M25 or any road for that matter, my pleasure turns to music. Being able to hear my sounds clearly at any speed is heaven to me.
At the moment I have a BMW 545e, which is a plug in hybrid. It has a 3 lire straight six engine and an electric motor. I have had it for six weeks and not put any petrol in yet. I charge it overnight. It takes about 5 hours to charge from zero using a normal 13 amp plug, but I usually charge it to 100% from 40%. It only does 24 miles from a full charge, which you might think is ludicrous, but I use it to take my wife to work, return home, pick her up again then return home again. That is a normal working day. It is all done on electric. I have done two long journeys where I used the ICE. If I use the navigation map the car works out that I need electric power only for London, Birmingham or wherever else has a congestion charge, and saves enough electric to power the car through those zones. I am told that most people’s journey to work is less than 16 miles so you could use a plug in hybrid and charge it at work.
I will buy a 100% electric car, but I don’t yet know when.