Ebay advice

[Robb]

I wanted to avoid the whole stretch tyre can o' worms, yes i agree it can be taken too far and looks daft/may compromise safety but the sort of stretch i was refering too is within the permitted tolerance of the tyre manufacturer with reference to rim width. This varys brand by brand but as long as I am using their product withing their guidelines I can see it standing as a reason to infulence a potential insurance scenario.

At this moment in time stretched tyres are not illegal and wont be reason to fail an MOT, the reason they are used is to provide additional clearance on wider alloys or lowered cars as it moves the tread inboard away from where it may otherwise contact the arch. The MOT requirement is that the tread is within the arch not the actual wheel.

This all may infact be irelevent as I mentioned above im considering using the front size 8J wheels all round with correct 225 40 tyres (i.e. no stretch) depending on how it looks.

 

[lacroupade]

I wanted to avoid the whole stretch tyre can o' worms, yes i agree it can be taken too far and looks daft/may compromise safety but the sort of stretch i was refering too is within the permitted tolerance of the tyre manufacturer with reference to rim width. This varys brand by brand but as long as I am using their product withing their guidelines I can see it standing as a reason to infulence a potential insurance scenario.

At this moment in time stretched tyres are not illegal and wont be reason to fail an MOT, the reason they are used is to provide additional clearance on wider alloys or lowered cars as it moves the tread inboard away from where it may otherwise contact the arch. The MOT requirement is that the tread is within the arch not the actual wheel.

This all may infact be irelevent as I mentioned above im considering using the front size 8J wheels all round with correct 225 40 tyres (i.e. no stretch) depending on how it looks.

If the tyre manufacturer says it will fit the rim you want to put it on then thats fine. That wouldn't be stretching it though would it; I mean I can't see they'd condone doing that?

The risk of course is that with stretched tyres there is significant additional stress on the tyre wall when cornering, which could, in extremis, lead to the tyre coming off the rim. Thats why it may not be an MoT failure, but would be seen in an extremely dim light by any insurance or police investigation (I know two such chappies and they both confirm this would be the case when I spoke to them earlier).

EDIT : Construction and Use Regulations 1986, Section 27(1)(a) would probably also apply if the tyre/rim fitment was poutside either the tyre manufacturers recommendations or the vehicle manufacturers specifications.....I suspect the MoT hasn't tackled it yet because its a relatively new phenomenon, but some of the stuff I've read indicates that excessive tyre wear is one side effect.

Not to mention the fact that if one was fitting stretched tyres to avoid contact with the wheel arch, theres a good chance that the rim would be outside the bodywork and then would be an MoT fail and an offence.

Not making a big deal of this or preaching, just think its worthy of debate/discussion....

 

[Robb]

Right, here we are for some poor quality phone pics, imagination also needed.

Take one E46 with standard MV2's

Add the 8J front wheel from an E38

Check for excessive poke

Looks fine to me, much nicer position than the standard mv2's which always look a bit 'sunken' into the arches?

Thats with same size 8J wheels front and back, couldnt try it with the wider rear cause its still got a massive tyre on it.

Front poke is about 5mm past the arch measured using my spirit level

I recon the 225 40 would be a good fit on the backs and possibly a 215 40 on the front.

 

[deka]

ride looks a bit harsh

 

[Finisterre]

those options are pretty good
I would go with 2 and ask him to look out for more.
having a spare front is no inconvenience.

 

[andysat]

On a side note Robb-you are a brave man using that jack!

 

[tabbie]

To to honest great response from your ebay seller, option 4 does sound appealing to me. What have you decided?

 

[Redzedfour]

I'll keep a lookout for you Robb the next time i'm in Darlo you won't be hard to spot you'll be one with sparks coming of the wheels

 

[Adamski]

Seller has been reasonable. Good result. I'd go for full refund. Only my opinion of course....


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[Robb]

Think im going to go for option 2 as it gives me more scope for either getting another front or a rear.

Might looks for another front for the time being and see how it goes.

 

[srhutch]

On a side note Robb-you are a brave man using that jack!

x2

and possible flat spotting the wheels sitting them on that wood

 

[Robb]

Seriously chaps you need to fret less, it was only a 5 min look to see what they looked like, any serious work and it would of been axel stands and trolly jack.

Wheels are seriously tougher than you are giving them credit for, i doubt very much any deformation took place while sat gently on some wood for a few mins.

As for the car jack, what would you suggest it was used for, bmw supplied it in the boot of my car incase I need to raise the car enough to remove a wheel? Surely thats its intended function in life?

My trolly jack is a big ole unit and i have to use the small jack first anyway to get it under the car and for the sake of this i simply didnt see it as worth it.

Yea RedZed, if you spot me around the north east give me a wave, iv still not seen your coupe in the metal..

 

[krusty]

Suggest you wait for the sellers response. Seller enters into a contract to sell you goods as described - goods supplied and not as described, simple breach of contract.

I've had this problem buying goodies from the US (low price + expensive shipping to me in Australia). The item arrives ... they send the wrong thing ... and then an argument ensues. If you approach your credit card company for help, the credit card company will only refund your money if you show proof that you have sent the item back ... and if the vendor refuses to pay the shipping cost, you can find yourself stuck having to pay those return costs yourself.

Places that provide feedback /// e.g. ebay, Amazon third party sellers etc /// the vendors usually behave better and pay the return shipping costs because they hate getting negative feedback. Good luck.

 

[Robb]

Update, decided to keep the wheels and take the £100 back. Now on the look out for a wider rear as I dont think i would ever be happy with 4 fronts.

Going to try and remove the tyres off the rear this weekend to trial fit to check my gaps.

Wondering if a tyre place will swap one of my tyres onto the rim for me to trial fit it then swap back onto my existing rim? shouldnt cost too much to should it?

Would rather check the sizes first before comitting to buy some new tyres.

 

[bluebatmobile]

Update, decided to keep the wheels and take the £100 back. Now on the look out for a wider rear as I dont think i would ever be happy with 4 fronts.

Going to try and remove the tyres off the rear this weekend to trial fit to check my gaps.

Wondering if a tyre place will swap one of my tyres onto the rim for me to trial fit it then swap back onto my existing rim? shouldnt cost too much to should it?

Would rather check the sizes first before comitting to buy some new tyres.

I guess you'd be looking about £10-15 at most places, about the price of a fit and balance...

On a side note, just been catching up with your issues, glad you're sorted now (more or less...) Ebay seller sounds good in dealing with the issue and feedback history sounds relaiable, could you share the sellers name as a reliable source for wheels? I'm on the look out for another set for next winter/winter tyres but want to know I can trust seller (not always the case on ebay!