E86 Halogen -- HID convert or not....

Wigsters

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Hi all, I am after some advice. I know this subject has been done to death so I will try to keep it simple so as not to regurgitate past questions.

My E86 Halogens are poor, really poor actually. The lights are not misted or damaged so I see that I have two choices.

1/ Throw in some Osram or Philips 150% Halogens (I have used Osrams before)
2/ Adapt to HID with a kit like this; https://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk/h7-hids4u-stealth-55w-xenon-hid-conversion-kit.html

I will be using the car regularly so need to improve things.
 
Hi, I’ve read the reflectors are a different shape with HID lights & just fitting the kits to halogens gives a poor beam pattern/dazzle to other road users :?
Rob
 
Dazzle doesn't sound good, hate it when that happens to me.
Looking at the dipped beam though it seems to sit in a projector unit as opposed to a traditional reflector unit.
Nothing is ever easy is it.....:(
 
I tried fitting some LED lights to replace mine on the weekend. It didnt go well!

I had something like this.
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Problem was, the E85 has these little metal clips which go on the end of the power connector. They go in-between the power connector and the bulb, and then twist to go into the lamp mounts.

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Problem is when you get these LED bulbs, the power adapter plugs into the little fly lead and the bulb itself its seperate. There isnt any way of mounting the LED bulb into the metal clip, so you have no way of effectively mounting it!! Annoying... im sure there are upgrades out there that work...

hopefully someone else knows the answers.........? Am i missing something i can order?
 
Smartbear said:
Hi, I’ve read the reflectors are a different shape with HID lights & just fitting the kits to halogens gives a poor beam pattern/dazzle to other road users :?
Rob

This isn't true :thumbsup:

Maybe you are thinking of the full beam lens?

The dipped beam reflectors/projectors are listed as H7 AND D2S as they are the same for both light sources. Dazzle is not an issue - you may still fall foul at MOT time due to a lack of washers, however.
 
ZeroCooL said:
et these LED bulbs, the power adapter plugs into the little fly lead and the bulb itself its seperate. There isnt any way of mounting the LED bulb into the metal clip, so you have no way of effectively mounting it!! Annoying... im sure there are upgrades out there that work...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/H7-LED-Headlight-Holder-Clip-Adapter-Retainer-Fit-BMW-Audi-VW-Nissan-Mercedes-UK/183818047424?hash=item2acc68cfc0:g:ZK8AAOSweydc4j8N

these are what you need, I had the same, separate clip with spacing for h7.
 
Darkangelv2 said:
Smartbear said:
Hi, I’ve read the reflectors are a different shape with HID lights & just fitting the kits to halogens gives a poor beam pattern/dazzle to other road users :?
Rob

This isn't true :thumbsup:

Maybe you are thinking of the full beam lens?

The dipped beam reflectors/projectors are listed as H7 AND D2S as they are the same for both light sources. Dazzle is not an issue - you may still fall foul at MOT time due to a lack of washers, however.

Don’t you need auto levelling as well as washers for the mot test? :?
Rob
 
Smartbear said:
Washers only required on models after 2009?

Regarding self leveling-
"Vehicles with high intensity discharge (HID) or LED dipped beam headlamps may be fitted with a suspension or headlamp self-levelling system. If these systems have been fitted, they must work.

Sometimes it is not easy to determine if the self-levelling systems work. In such cases you should give the benefit of the doubt."
So if you don't have self leveling it doesn't seem to matter.
 
Smartbear said:
Darkangelv2 said:
Smartbear said:
Hi, I’ve read the reflectors are a different shape with HID lights & just fitting the kits to halogens gives a poor beam pattern/dazzle to other road users :?
Rob

This isn't true :thumbsup:

Maybe you are thinking of the full beam lens?

The dipped beam reflectors/projectors are listed as H7 AND D2S as they are the same for both light sources. Dazzle is not an issue - you may still fall foul at MOT time due to a lack of washers, however.

Don’t you need auto levelling as well as washers for the mot test? :?
Rob

Technically correct - however the rules also basically stated that the tester can ignore them as the levelling arms and system can’t actually be tested! :rofl:
 
Man.. I've been through it all with E85/86 Halogen headlights in terms of modifying them to get the best output without buying Xenon version of the headlights (and some vanity of me wanting them looking better), so I have much experience in this.

In terms of halogen upgrade bulbs (Philips Xtreme-Vision, Osram Nightbreakers, etc):

These upgrade halogen bulbs are fantastic! The beam is 100% LEGAL so you will NOT dazzle oncoming drivers with your lights. It will NOT look like Xenon/HID/LED by a longshot. But the range in definitely improved in the Z4's projector lens. The filament is smaller and hotter; therefore brighter, which gives you a more uniform and focused beam than with standard H7 halogens. The difference is NOT dramatic but it is noticeable. To scale it for everyone here: out of 10, the stock H7 halogen gets a 3 in terms of vision. An H7 halogen upgrade bulb (non-blue tinted bulbs) mayyyybe bumps it up to a 5. Not substantial but anything is welcomed. THE DOWNSIDE: The life of the bulbs are much lower than the standard halogen H7s, so be prepared to have a spare in your glovebox if you're doing lots of night time driving.

In terms of LED:

TBH, this is the worst upgrade of the three. The light IS dramatically whiter and actually looks much more modern than a halogen headlight--but the beam pattern is no where near as sharp, uniform or considerate to other drivers compared to halogen. Brightness might be subjective to some people because of the whiter light, it SEEMS brighter but in fact it could be dimmer than an upgraded H7 halogen bulb. Most of these LEDs run at a 5500-6500K color temperature--which is nice and modern looking but if it rains; forget about it. You will barely see the road at night if there's inclement weather. ALSO: If you drive in the winter with snow everywhere, LED bulbs don't get warm enough to melt any ice or snow on the headlight--so it can be dangerous.

In terms of HID/Xenon:

These are the best and it is what I personally use on my Z4. The beam is not legal and there is a little bit of glare but it is mostly controlled by the projector lens itself and the decent positioning of the HID bulb itself. I tried them all: 4,300K, 5,000K, 6,000K and even 8000K. I've gone back and fourth and I stuck with the OEM looking 4,300K. It is by far the brightest color temp, easiest on the eyes, looks the best (IMO) on these cars because it looks like an OEM Xenon headlight and driving with them at night is an absolute joy. You need a CANBUS ballast for these cars because the Z4 checks the bulbs upon startup. If you get a slim CANBUS ballast kit, you can actually fit the entire thing inside the headlight housing and close it with a nice seal--no drilling needed. It won't overheat in my experience since I've ran them for many years.

One thing about the HID/Xenon kit if any of you get it: The bulb return wire (the wire that runs along side the bulb) has to be facing DOWN in our H7 projectors. Most HID kits come with an H7 HID bulb that makes the return wire face upwards inside the projector, which causes a long dark shadow in your beam pattern from the return wire. Most people don't care and it isn't a big deal but if you want the best night time vision with these cars, you'll need to just modify the base by just mimmicking the same tab but on the opposite side. If you do this, you'll get an even, sharp, bright beam pattern on the road ahead.

TL; DR: For the H7 halogen projectors in our cars, HID/Xenon is the best but it is not legal. Upgraded halogen bulbs are the 2nd best but are not as bright as HID/Xenon and do not last as long and are quite expensive for what they are. LED bulbs are mostly junk. They look nice but in terms of actual headlight power they're last place.
 
Motionblurrr said:
Man.. I've been through it all with E85/86 Halogen headlights in terms of modifying them to get the best output without buying Xenon version of the headlights (and some vanity of me wanting them looking better), so I have much experience in this.

In terms of halogen upgrade bulbs (Philips Xtreme-Vision, Osram Nightbreakers, etc):

These upgrade halogen bulbs are fantastic! The beam is 100% LEGAL so you will NOT dazzle oncoming drivers with your lights. It will NOT look like Xenon/HID/LED by a longshot. But the range in definitely improved in the Z4's projector lens. The filament is smaller and hotter; therefore brighter, which gives you a more uniform and focused beam than with standard H7 halogens. The difference is NOT dramatic but it is noticeable. To scale it for everyone here: out of 10, the stock H7 halogen gets a 3 in terms of vision. An H7 halogen upgrade bulb (non-blue tinted bulbs) mayyyybe bumps it up to a 5. Not substantial but anything is welcomed. THE DOWNSIDE: The life of the bulbs are much lower than the standard halogen H7s, so be prepared to have a spare in your glovebox if you're doing lots of night time driving.

In terms of LED:

TBH, this is the worst upgrade of the three. The light IS dramatically whiter and actually looks much more modern than a halogen headlight--but the beam pattern is no where near as sharp, uniform or considerate to other drivers compared to halogen. Brightness might be subjective to some people because of the whiter light, it SEEMS brighter but in fact it could be dimmer than an upgraded H7 halogen bulb. Most of these LEDs run at a 5500-6500K color temperature--which is nice and modern looking but if it rains; forget about it. You will barely see the road at night if there's inclement weather. ALSO: If you drive in the winter with snow everywhere, LED bulbs don't get warm enough to melt any ice or snow on the headlight--so it can be dangerous.

In terms of HID/Xenon:

These are the best and it is what I personally use on my Z4. The beam is not legal and there is a little bit of glare but it is mostly controlled by the projector lens itself and the decent positioning of the HID bulb itself. I tried them all: 4,300K, 5,000K, 6,000K and even 8000K. I've gone back and fourth and I stuck with the OEM looking 4,300K. It is by far the brightest color temp, easiest on the eyes, looks the best (IMO) on these cars because it looks like an OEM Xenon headlight and driving with them at night is an absolute joy. You need a CANBUS ballast for these cars because the Z4 checks the bulbs upon startup. If you get a slim CANBUS ballast kit, you can actually fit the entire thing inside the headlight housing and close it with a nice seal--no drilling needed. It won't overheat in my experience since I've ran them for many years.

One thing about the HID/Xenon kit if any of you get it: The bulb return wire (the wire that runs along side the bulb) has to be facing DOWN in our H7 projectors. Most HID kits come with an H7 HID bulb that makes the return wire face upwards inside the projector, which causes a long dark shadow in your beam pattern from the return wire. Most people don't care and it isn't a big deal but if you want the best night time vision with these cars, you'll need to just modify the base by just mimmicking the same tab but on the opposite side. If you do this, you'll get an even, sharp, bright beam pattern on the road ahead.

TL; DR: For the H7 halogen projectors in our cars, HID/Xenon is the best but it is not legal. Upgraded halogen bulbs are the 2nd best but are not as bright as HID/Xenon and do not last as long and are quite expensive for what they are. LED bulbs are mostly junk. They look nice but in terms of actual headlight power they're last place.

Which kit do you use? Does it go into the stock halogen headlight?
 
I fitted Philips extreme vision G-force on my e86 . The difference on dipped is negligible but the mains are much better. Can't understand why a car of this quality , especially being a sports car , has such terrible lights.
 
bg1 said:
Which kit do you use? Does it go into the stock halogen headlight?

Most HID kits are made by the same Chinese manufacturers--they're just relabeled so the cheaper the better. It's also the luck of the draw though, you could get a crappy kit even if you paid "top dollar".

I use this CANBUS hid kit: https://www.uspmotorsports.com/RFB-H7-HID-Conversion-Kit-CAN-BUS-Ballasts.html

If you can find a CANBUS ballast that looks like that, in the general shape and look of those ballasts at a much cheaper price, do it!! Check eBay or whatever websites that sell them. Try to pay as least as you possibly can. These ballasts are almost 10 years old so I'm kind of shocked they're still trucking along. *knocks on wood*

Remember: CANBUS Ballasts only or your HID kit will flicker or turn off by BMW's bulb check system.
 
would any of these kits be any good?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/55W-9-32V-CAN-BUS-PRO-KIT-Error-Free-H7-H1-SLIM-MID-BALLAST-2-HID-BULBS-6000K-8K/272726123774?hash=item3f7fbe64fe:m:m1WmQGePlh9ohB9JRPoDLXQ

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/35w-H7-4300K-CAN-BUS-Xenon-HID-Conversion-KIT-Warning-Error-Free-Mini-Ballast/141107633013?epid=7028820570&hash=item20daab9b75:g:RCcAAMXQWzNSd8vc

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HID-Headlight-Bulb-Xenon-Conversion-KIT-Can-Bus-H1-H3-H4-H7-35W-55W-Slim-Ballast/254155097008?hash=item3b2cd303b0:m:mQaM5aW_arbJJ9AbTqXxfPA
 
Davz said:
would any of these kits be any good?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/55W-9-32V-CAN-BUS-PRO-KIT-Error-Free-H7-H1-SLIM-MID-BALLAST-2-HID-BULBS-6000K-8K/272726123774?hash=item3f7fbe64fe:m:m1WmQGePlh9ohB9JRPoDLXQ

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/35w-H7-4300K-CAN-BUS-Xenon-HID-Conversion-KIT-Warning-Error-Free-Mini-Ballast/141107633013?epid=7028820570&hash=item20daab9b75:g:RCcAAMXQWzNSd8vc

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HID-Headlight-Bulb-Xenon-Conversion-KIT-Can-Bus-H1-H3-H4-H7-35W-55W-Slim-Ballast/254155097008?hash=item3b2cd303b0:m:mQaM5aW_arbJJ9AbTqXxfPA

I would go with the 2nd link! Make sure to get 35W and not 55W because a 55W ballasts will burn your projector bowls very quickly from all the heat and UV light.

You can fit those types of ballasts inside the headlight by smartly fitting everything in there like a game of Tetris lol.
 
Great advice all around, much experimentation time saved :)
As you seemed to have tried everything I had considered Motionblurr I think I am jumping in with the HID kit, most definitely the 35w option based on what you said -- had bookmarked a 55w kit so that was a top tip.
Seems to be worth putting some upgraded Halogens in the full beams too so I will try that.
Hopefully, this will all result in this 'fast car' producing more light than my sons battered Mitsubishi Colt!!
 
ZeroCooL said:
g3org3y said:
Osram Nightbreaker Lasers. Used them on my E46 and was v impressed.

Legend! Thank you!

Ive ordered them........ :thumbsup:

Good stuff, I'm sure you'll notice a difference. :thumbsup:

Good summary by MotionBlurr and I agree that with these more powerful bulbs the lifespan is reduced but for the improvement in night vision, it's worth it. Plus simple plug and play means it's the easiest upgrade.
 
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