E85 values - bottomed out, peaked or something else…?

Having been in a few 1990s Jap cars and two VX220s I for one am very happy to have a great interior and forego the steering feel :rofl:

BTW, if you want proper proper steering feel everyone should try an Elise chassis car at some point in their lives, its a whole different level, makes a Porsche feel like a van :thumbsup:
 
coldel said:
Having been in a few 1990s Jap cars and two VX220s I for one am very happy to have a great interior and forego the steering feel :rofl:

BTW, if you want proper proper steering feel everyone should try an Elise chassis car at some point in their lives, its a whole different level, makes a Porsche feel like a van :thumbsup:
Yes, my Evora had otherworldly steering and brakes although my Porsche 968 ran it close.

Currently my other fun cars include a 1997 Japanese car and a stripped out 2005 Clio, which illustrates my priorities I guess. My Z4M is a plush luxury limo by comparison.
 
My brother is a biker, and he loved the VX220. Said it was as close to the visceral experience of a bike he has ever had in a car.
They used to be bargains, but seem to be chasing Elise values now.
 
Fred Smith said:
thecremeegg said:
As someone who is trying to sell a high-miler at the moment it's definitely a dead market. Mine's on 150k but the engine runs perfectly, it's had polybushes, steering upgrade, new starter etc etc and I can't even get a sniff of interest at £4k. I'm slowly starting to think that I might have to go down the route of parting it out which is a shame.
I did however just buy a Z4M for £10k that needs probably £2-3k of work on it but that I can do at my leisure.

High milers are not popular! (Saying as someone who has just bought one... I only looked at two, both 3.0, both 125k miles or more, and both had engines that sounded smooth as hell and like they'll run forever.)

People don't seem to appreciate that loads of the lower mileage Z4s have plenty of issues as well (pretty sure half the "immaculate" facelift ones on the market have knackered foglights, find me a 20 year old car without the odd ding and scratch, or one that wouldn't benefit some rust treatment to the underside.) And then you have the issue that things are replaced on the higher mileage ones that might not have been on a lower mileage one.

What is holding your car's value down?

(1) Most people can't afford any sort of "fun car"

(2) Most people who can afford a fun car can afford one better than a £4k Z4.

(3) It's nice to think you have half a chance of getting your money back when you resell your fun car... and buying high miles is always scary in terms of knowing how much other brits like their low milers! (History has to be at least as important as miles IMHO... and to some extent I bought on history as much as I did on what I saw when I viewed).

(4) I think the early noughties are a wonderful compromise between modern comfort and old school driveability... but on the other hand a 20 year old car isn't old enough to be a classic, nor is it new enough to be consider a new-ish car... it's old, high mileage and not classic! I have no regrets, but since buying my E86 I've been looking at other cars and thinking "I could have got a Triumph Spitfire or similar / nicer". Maybe you're not competing with cheap 60s and 70s sports cars, but maybe you are.

I am not far from you and in the next few months... or now if the price were superb ;-) .... I'm going to look out for a 3.0 E85... but I will be looking for something as cheap as possible to experience a convertible for the first time with the idea that I can sell on without much of a loss. The difference between the price a car is worth on a good day and the price you'd want to pay to give yourself a damn good chance of getting your money back easily might be 50% IMHO. And I'm guessing there's a lot more people out there with my kind of attitude than there are saying "I really want a decent E85, not overly bothered about the price as I'll be owning it for 3 or 4 years minimum".

Oh I definitely won't be getting my money back on it hah!
I do also appreciate your points, it's had all the expensive stuff done, all the stuff a low miles car will need doing in the near future. I'm happy to buy high-milers but I know a lot of people aren't which is fair enough.
 
Some good point here, as someone who bought a high mileage E85 3.0si AUTO !! spent a few K on parts has not much had been done it seems the market doesn't want to recognise parts already fitted in the price. Agree not expecting or going to get my money back, but surely should be a difference between something fixed and another with it still in front of them what ever the mileage.
I think some overlook parts age as well as wear from use. These are old cars, time degrades not just use.

Also the cosmetic condition, I'd rather see an untouched car with a little natural patina than some patched up, blown in and non original. I'm not after a concours car.
Market seems to expect rock bottom price with everything fixed and looking mint. If that car exists, it won't be for sale !!!
 
9designs said:
Some good point here, as someone who bought a high mileage E85 3.0si AUTO !! spent a few K on parts has not much had been done it seems the market doesn't want to recognise parts already fitted in the price. Agree not expecting or going to get my money back, but surely should be a difference between something fixed and another with it still in front of them what ever the mileage.
I think some overlook parts age as well as wear from use. These are old cars, time degrades not just use.

Also the cosmetic condition, I'd rather see an untouched car with a little natural patina than some patched up, blown in and non original. I'm not after a concours car.
Market seems to expect rock bottom price with everything fixed and looking mint. If that car exists, it won't be for sale !!!
I think it's more the case of combining three factors:
1. The E85 isn't hugely desirable, so most buyers aren't looking for mint examples - buyers tend to be bargain shoppers
2. Some parts fitted vs Comprehensive history and folder of receipts, the latter is going to add value but the former rarely does
3. The market for used cars, particularly impractical ones, is rubbish right now
 
Every owner is different, I could afford a 911 or an Aston but the cost of maintenence would bug me and it wouldn’t be a pleasure driving it, the Z4 is cheap to buy, fun, fast enough and I can maintain it myself, we find it comfortable for long journeys too.
I have to admit that if I could get away with a 911 as a company car and set the costs against tax I’d have one but my accountant won’t let me.
 
Well I’ve got to say, the discussion points raised on this post have made great reading- thank you to all for sharing your thoughts and perspectives. I guess at the end of the day, we’re all entitled to our opinion and one man’s meat is another man’s poison! Yet, I think there has been some really good common ground…

1. Z4’s represent great value at whatever price point you look at
2. The E85 has aged incredibly well- to my eyes, it still looks fresh on the road today
3. Buy the best that you can afford and seek out a car that has been well maintained and its condition reflects that
4. Mileage divides opinion - I’d go so far as to say the more mechanically competent you are, the less high mileage concerns you
5. You’re probably not going to make a fortune from buying an E85 as a short term investment!!
6. What we want from a car and dour reasons for buying it will vary enormously…
7. If you’re reading this as a prospective purchaser of an E85, go and try one tomorrow and share the experience


For me, this post has confirmed my recent entry to owning an E85 was a great decision and I look forward to many year’s enjoyment from “The One” - pictured below
 
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