E85 turbo?

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road warrior

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Now this is theoretical question so don't get excited.. :D but would a 3.0 I cope with a turbo or would it blow up without work being done. I know it will take a blower so wondered.
 
road warrior said:
Now this is theoretical question so don't get excited.. :D but would a 3.0 I cope with a turbo or would it blow up without work being done. I know it will take a blower so wondered.
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It depends entirely on the amount of boost you’d be running it at i should think? :?
Rob
 
For sure it would. But only so far. Improve breathing in and out, add mild turbo. Get some lag, enjoy extra shove. :thumbsup: After that it will get expensive. Add intercooler, enlarge oil cooler etc and then there are the very necessary mods to brakes steering and suspension. :D
 
I think the tuning will be by far the most difficult and most expensive.
Certainly if you want a car that is still driveable when you want it to be.
The n52 platform is not a popular tuners platform, so you'll be inventing the wheel at every step, and thats very expensive.
 
I started looking at this and then my searches quickly changed to "N54 E85" :lol: Back to square one now. I wish the supercharger kits were £2,500 rather than £4,500.
 
GuidoK said:
I think the tuning will be by far the most difficult and most expensive.
Certainly if you want a car that is still driveable when you want it to be.
The n52 platform is not a popular tuners platform, so you'll be inventing the wheel at every step, and thats very expensive.
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I think road warrior has an m54 not an n52 engined zed? :?
Rob
 
wonkydonkey said:
I started looking at this and then my searches quickly changed to "N54 E85" :lol: Back to square one now. I wish the supercharger kits were £2,500 rather than £4,500.
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This is the cheapest supercharger I’ve found for the M54, it’s not as tuneable as the ESS kits but a fair bit cheaper and would still give a nice shove in the back IMO...

https://www.mstyle.co.uk/catalog/product/view/id/29291/category/10134/
 
Smartbear said:
GuidoK said:
I think the tuning will be by far the most difficult and most expensive.
Certainly if you want a car that is still driveable when you want it to be.
The n52 platform is not a popular tuners platform, so you'll be inventing the wheel at every step, and thats very expensive.
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I think road warrior has an m54 not an n52 engined zed? :?
Rob
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Sorry yes you're right, I probably misread somehow.

M54 turbo builds have been done lots of times, and are also available in kitform.
However a number of kits/builds that I've seen require to adapt the aluminium bottom plate to make a cutout for the exhaust. That's a structural part of the car. I wonder if that'll give problems with the MOT
But that was on an e46 install. I dont know if it'll have the same issue on the e85, or that they've solved the issue alltogether, or that it was just a hack in that particular install.

Here you can see a technique tuning install on the underside. You can also see the bolt holes where the reinforcement plate goes.
It's very tight, especially with the BOV
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Anyway the TT kit still is e46, so to convert to E85 it obviously requires custom work and custom tuning. I dont know if the manufacturer assists in that.
 
GuidoK said:
However a number of kits/builds that I've seen require to adapt the aluminium bottom plate to make a cutout for the exhaust. That's a structural part of the car. I wonder if that'll give problems with the MOT
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You have my curiosity going now. I assume you are referring to what BMW call the reinforcement plate 51717028433? I had that off to polybush at the weekend and noticed it takes 8 M10 bolts torqued to 59Nm.

Have you any idea what it does structurally? it appears to be made of fairly thin aluminium albeit double skinned. I stuggle to understand what structural significance it has.
 
The m54 will take boost, obviously the more supporting mods you do the better. I believe the real issue lies with the stock ecu (if using the ms45), from what I could see no one does an off the shelf map. The ms43 has been fiddled with more times than Katie price so the mapping is a lot easier on that one (less parameters).
The other issue is space!
 
Magicarcher said:
Have you any idea what it does structurally? it appears to be made of fairly thin aluminium albeit double skinned. I stuggle to understand what structural significance it has.
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It connects the front subframe to the mid of the chassis (the tub), making it a box section instead of a C section which greatly increases the strenght of both how the engine sits in the chassis and the front lower control arm pivots.
That it is made from aluminium sheet doesn't mean its not strong. The aluminium used is way stronger than say aluminium used in engine block or control arms (those are cast).
If I feel the piece my guess its hardened aluminium.
That it's bolted down with 8 bolts means that the potential forces are quite significant. And the tightening torque is not 59Nm but 59Nm plus 90deg. They use stretch bolts, which means bmw certainly doesn't want this plate to come loose.
 
davros said:
wonkydonkey said:
I started looking at this and then my searches quickly changed to "N54 E85" :lol: Back to square one now. I wish the supercharger kits were £2,500 rather than £4,500.
Click to expand...

This is the cheapest supercharger I’ve found for the M54, it’s not as tuneable as the ESS kits but a fair bit cheaper and would still give a nice shove in the back IMO...

https://www.mstyle.co.uk/catalog/product/view/id/29291/category/10134/
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I had been on the mstyle website a few times but hadn't spotted that kit. Not a supercharger/engine tuner name I'm familiar with.
 
https://www.mstyle.co.uk/catalog/product/view/id/29291/category/10134/
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I had been on the mstyle website a few times but hadn't spotted that kit. Not a supercharger/engine tuner name I'm familiar with.
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I wasn’t either, but G-Power seem quite popular in Germany particularly with the E46 guys. I think mstyle have only recently become the official UK distributor for them.
 
GuidoK said:
Smartbear said:
GuidoK said:
I think the tuning will be by far the most difficult and most expensive.
Certainly if you want a car that is still driveable when you want it to be.
The n52 platform is not a popular tuners platform, so you'll be inventing the wheel at every step, and thats very expensive.
Click to expand...

I think road warrior has an m54 not an n52 engined zed? :?
Rob
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Sorry yes you're right, I probably misread somehow.

M54 turbo builds have been done lots of times, and are also available in kitform.
However a number of kits/builds that I've seen require to adapt the aluminium bottom plate to make a cutout for the exhaust. That's a structural part of the car. I wonder if that'll give problems with the MOT
But that was on an e46 install. I dont know if it'll have the same issue on the e85, or that they've solved the issue alltogether, or that it was just a hack in that particular install.

Here you can see a technique tuning install on the underside. You can also see the bolt holes where the reinforcement plate goes.
It's very tight, especially with the BOV
615fe7fd.jpg

Anyway the TT kit still is e46, so to convert to E85 it obviously requires custom work and custom tuning. I dont know if the manufacturer assists in that.
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Wastegate, not BOV :)

Loads of options for M54, take a look at Zurawski Motorsport for example
 
Yes you're right.

For use of a turbo with integrated wastegate there is probably too little room
 
GuidoK said:
If I feel the piece my guess its hardened aluminium.
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It definitely looks like hardened aluminium out of the car. I once accidentally ordered hardened aluminum and tried to bend it, no chance!
 
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